Brexit

[Montegriffo]

It doesn't matter if it's worse or better at this point.

That may be the daftest thing I've ever seen you say Otern.
That is the only thing which really matters.

[Speaker to Animals]

A re-vote is the end of democracy in UK.

[Montegriffo]

You don't have to be pro-EU to realise leaving is worse than staying in.

It doesn't matter if it's worse or better at this point. You're past that point when the votes were counted.

What the whole thing is about now, is if you're going to follow through on a democratic decision, or abandon it all, just because some people think it was a bad idea.

It's not an "in or out of EU"-question anymore, but a "democracy or not"-question.

Not just some people. A majority now believe it is a bad idea if you believe the polls. Around 60 / 40 in favour of abandoning Brexit in many polls.
This divide will only grow as the older electorate die off and are replaced by younger voters who overwhelmingly want to stay in.
Democracy didn't die in June 2016. It is ongoing and ever-changing.
Democracy depends on voters having their say. The voters are now saying stay and are doing so in increasing numbers.

[Montegriffo]

A re-vote is the end of democracy in UK.

You know what they call it when voters don't get to re-vote?
A dictatorship.

Re-votes are the whole point of democracy. Otherwise, there would never be any more elections and we would have a one-party state.

[Speaker to Animals]

A re-vote is the end of democracy in UK.

You know what they call it when voters don't get to re-vote?
A dictatorship.

Re-votes are the whole point of democracy. Otherwise, there would never be any more elections and we would have a one-party state.

Are you fucking retarded?

Democracy means you get a vote. Dictatorship means those votes don't matter. Here you are arguing those votes don't matter, and then accusing people defending democracy of supporting dictatorship.

I don't even like democracy. I just don't like tyranny, and tyranny is what you are defending here.

[Montegriffo]

A re-vote is the end of democracy in UK.

You know what they call it when voters don't get to re-vote?
A dictatorship.

Re-votes are the whole point of democracy. Otherwise, there would never be any more elections and we would have a one-party state.

Are you fucking retarded?

Democracy means you get a vote. Dictatorship means those votes don't matter. Here you are arguing those votes don't matter, and then accusing people defending democracy of supporting dictatorship.

I don't even like democracy. I just don't like tyranny, and tyranny is what you are defending here.

No, tyranny is not allowing the public to vote. That is your position right now.
Do you want the first time you voted to be the only way your vote is counted in the future or do you demand the right to change your mind?
Dictatorship is saying no more voting, you have voted once and you can't ever vote again.

[Speaker to Animals]

You know what they call it when voters don't get to re-vote?
A dictatorship.

Re-votes are the whole point of democracy. Otherwise, there would never be any more elections and we would have a one-party state.

Are you fucking retarded?

Democracy means you get a vote. Dictatorship means those votes don't matter. Here you are arguing those votes don't matter, and then accusing people defending democracy of supporting dictatorship.

I don't even like democracy. I just don't like tyranny, and tyranny is what you are defending here.

No, tyranny is not allowing the public to vote. That is your position right now.
Do you want the first time you voted to be the only way your vote is counted in the future or do you demand the right to change your mind?
Dictatorship is saying no more voting, you have voted once and you can't ever vote again.

The public ALREADY VOTED.

[Otern]

It doesn't matter if it's worse or better at this point.

That may be the daftest thing I've ever seen you say Otern.
That is the only thing which really matters.

No, it's really not.
Now, let me just assume the remainers are correct, for argument's sake. Leaving the EU is really bad. The economy takes a hit, people get unemployed even worse than before. People realize their mistake, and work on joining the EU again in ten-twenty years. The EU will eventually take Britain back, or they'll make a deal worse than the one today, both can live with, but with Britain out of the union.

By ignoring this vote, you're signalling to millions of voters, who still want out, that their vote doesn't matter. They have no political agency. They won, but the powers at be won't let them win.
What's the point of them taking part in democracy in the future? Why should they vote, when their vote is thrown out whenever it's problematic to the status quo?

They won't vote in future elections, because they don't matter. They'll still have problems, but now the social contract have been irreparably broken. They stop voting for politicians they don't trust, and as a result, those very same politicians, who would've catered to their needs, stop trying to win their votes, leaving even more people hopeless with any prospects of democracy.

You need trust for a democracy to work, take that away, and it will just fall apart in years anyway.

What the remainers should do in this situation is to accept the loss, but lobby for as much of a EU-member deal as possible. You're going out of the EU. But it's still possible to remain close to the EU in pretty much any way you want. Could work for a Norway option, where you're basically in the EU anyway. The brexiters get what they want (sort of), and the remainers get what they want (sort of).

The harvest you reap by ignoring the results of the referendum, will be way worse than even the worst case scenario portrayed by the remainers. And it has nothing to do with the EU at all. Even if the EU was perfect, it would be awful, as you've chased away a huge part of your population from taking part in democracy for decades to come.

Ignoring the referendum will lead to a large part of Britain to just stop voting in future elections, and drive the more extreme to violence, as that is their only viable political tool left.

[heydaralon]

Monte just hates freedom is all. Nothing to see here. She already said she hates guns, speech she personally finds offensive, and people who eat meat as well as people who vote in ways that her EU masters are not okay with. Nbd, I don't live there, and will not ever visit.

[Smitty-48]

Exactly.

Brexit, no Brexit, no matter.

The problem with the UK is that it has evolved into an national security police state tyranny.

Voting will not save it.