Best American General of All Time?

[TheReal_ND]

I'll vote for Washington. Unlike most subsequent American generals he didn't have a huge MIC behind him, and plenty of tax dollars (excepting those of the South of course). He didn't even have nation to use nationalism to rally the troops. He had to scramble the whole time just to keep his army together, in the field, and supplied, never mind get them to a battlefield at the right place and time. And unlike most General officers, his neck was on the line if he lost, he'd have been hung as a traitor.

Washington had some balls, and he was putting his neck out, so he has to be somewhere near the top of any list. I remember a thread awhile back where someone was discussing his overall record, and brought up his mediocre performance during the French and Indian war. I don't know much about that conflict, but I don't think he shone during it. I think this was the (possibly troll) thread where it was insinuated that he was gay. This might have been a Smitty one.

Yeah his performance during that time was not great. You can listen to this podcast here where the first part of it covers that part of his career if you want to hear a little about it. He still deserves a lot of props for being able to field an army when all the chips were down. He was a master of tactical retreats and snatching a not so bad defeat from the jaws of a terrible, campaighn ending, defeat. Mike Duncan covered him very well in his Revolutions series.

This whole podcast is very good though. I recommend anyone interested in history and politics listen to it. Like I said it has a spicy take on Washington at the very beginning.

http://fashthenation.com/2018/07/ftn-fo ... oup-detat/

McFeels and Ethnarch survey the events which led up to the 13 Colonies making the difficult decision to break away from the mother country, and the one man who did more than anyone else to precipitate the War of American independence; the original form of the independent government of the United States, along with its strengths and weaknesses; how the Philadelphia Constitution we’re operating under today came to be, its strengths and weaknesses, and who was in favor of it, and who was against it; and about their motivations, and who benefited the most from the adoption of the Philadelphia Convention, and how.

[heydaralon]

I'll vote for Washington. Unlike most subsequent American generals he didn't have a huge MIC behind him, and plenty of tax dollars (excepting those of the South of course). He didn't even have nation to use nationalism to rally the troops. He had to scramble the whole time just to keep his army together, in the field, and supplied, never mind get them to a battlefield at the right place and time. And unlike most General officers, his neck was on the line if he lost, he'd have been hung as a traitor.

Washington had some balls, and he was putting his neck out, so he has to be somewhere near the top of any list. I remember a thread awhile back where someone was discussing his overall record, and brought up his mediocre performance during the French and Indian war. I don't know much about that conflict, but I don't think he shone during it. I think this was the (possibly troll) thread where it was insinuated that he was gay. This might have been a Smitty one.

Yeah his performance during that time was not great. You can listen to this podcast here where the first part of it covers that part of his career if you want to hear a little about it. He still deserves a lot of props for being able to field an army when all the chips were down. He was a master of tactical retreats and snatching a not so bad defeat from the jaws of a terrible, campaighn ending, defeat. Mike Duncan covered him very well in his Revolutions series.

This whole podcast is very good though. I recommend anyone interested in history and politics listen to it. Like I said it has a spicy take on Washington at the very beginning.

http://fashthenation.com/2018/07/ftn-fo ... oup-detat/

McFeels and Ethnarch survey the events which led up to the 13 Colonies making the difficult decision to break away from the mother country, and the one man who did more than anyone else to precipitate the War of American independence; the original form of the independent government of the United States, along with its strengths and weaknesses; how the Philadelphia Constitution we’re operating under today came to be, its strengths and weaknesses, and who was in favor of it, and who was against it; and about their motivations, and who benefited the most from the adoption of the Philadelphia Convention, and how.

I will check this out.

[Hastur]

I've said it before and now say it again. The prize goes to William Tecumseh Sherman. He understood modern warfare long before anyone else and had the balls to do what it took to win. No glory, mercy or finesse.

You could use someone like him today.

Thinking about it I realize you probably have someone like that but the goal of war isn't winning anymore so he won't get the job.

[C-Mag]

I've said it before and now say it again. The prize goes to William Tecumseh Sherman. He understood modern warfare long before anyone else and had the balls to do what it took to win. No glory, mercy or finesse.

You could use someone like him today.

Thinking about it I realize you probably have someone like that but the goal of war isn't winning anymore so he won't get the job.

I don't disagree with that.

It's a weird thing that's happened with the all volunteer military. The public doesn't seem to care if we are at war, the public just kind of blindly accepts it. They don't care about the casualties, winning or loses as long as there aren't too many body bags for us or our opponents.

I'd love if we were a people that could handle a W T Sherman or a Hap Arnold or a Patton, but we have our silk slippers on. They are very comfortable. The boots are coming.

[Fife]

[Fife]

Where have you gone, Gen. Okee
Georgia turns her lonely eyes to you

[Fife]

The Abbeville Institute posted the comments of one great American general about another yesterday.

Here are some comments from Gen. William J. Hardee on the service of Gen. Patrick Cleburne: https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog ... -cleburne/

The sketch is necessarily imperfect, from the want of official records. Most of these were lost or destroyed by the casualties attending the close of the war, and those still in existence are difficult of access. Of Cleburne’s early life little is known. The record of his service in the Southern armies belongs to the yet unwritten history of the “Lost Cause.” In better days, when the passions and prejudices engendered by civil strife shall have disappeared, and history brings in a dispassionate verdict, the name of Cleburne will appear high in the list of patriots and warriors. Until then, his best record is in the hearts of his adopted country.

With brief exceptions, Cleburne served under my command during his military career. He succeeded first to the brigade, and then to the division, which I had previously commanded, and it is to me a grateful recollection that circumstances enabled me to further his advancement to those important trusts. From personal knowledge, therefore, gained in an intercourse and observation extending through a period of nearly four years, I can give you an outline sketch of Cleburne’s character and services.

[doc_loliday]

Mills?

Oh, we gonna do that then?

Rancor.


Yes, it is I, good old General Rancor. I'm back, big as life and twice as ugly! You did everything except eat me, and I'm still alive. All Steele did was blow off a couple of arms. That's no biggie, no big thing. Now I got plenty of arms!! Big arms!! Pretty arms!! I got arms up the wazoo!

[Smitty-48]

Best of all time?

Curtis LeMay.

American wins, or the world is destroyed, can't get better den dat.

Most overrated?

Schwarzkopf.

He was fucking useless, the opposite of what the media made him out to be, Fred Franks knows.

[Speaker to Animals]

Schwartzkopf not popular with USAF at all.

He actually sent soldiers to fight when they didn't have to because he was jealous that the Air Force was winning the war with minimal loss of American lives. Fucking nuts.