Plutarch on animal ethics

[JohnDonne]

Good show lads, I need to sleep, jaysus this was quite the thread.

[StCapps]

Yes, they should.
Factory farming should not exist.
You just aren't prepared to give up cheap meat. Just like you are not prepared to pay for a lower carbon footprint.
Shitty self-interests getting in the way of a better life for all.

No, they shouldn't. Your self-interests do not Trump the self-interests of meat eaters. The only one standing in the way of better life for all, are the people wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

"The only ones standing in the way of a better life for all, are the ones that won't give their money to the meat industry!"

Indeed. Without skin in the game, they don't care about your opinion. They care a lot more what their customers think, than what their non-customers think.

[StCapps]

Mate, meat consumption keeps going down, while the vegan population keeps increasing, that's a message we're sending em, and they're getting scared, you want to be a part of the solution, yeah?

Vegans are like a mosquito bite to the Meat Industry, they ain't scared of you, you are no threat to them, and you won't be anytime in the near future either.

[Montegriffo]

I'm all for fixing the problems in factory farming of animals, but that doesn't mean they should stop doing it altogether until those problems are fixed, that's just dumb.

Yes, they should.
Factory farming should not exist.
You just aren't prepared to give up cheap meat. Just like you are not prepared to pay for a lower carbon footprint.
Shitty self-interests getting in the way of a better life for all.

No, they shouldn't. Your self-interests do not Trump the self-interests of meat eaters. The only one standing in the way of better life for all, are the people wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

My interests aren't self-interests though.
My interests are in not destroying bio-diversity to feed your caged animals.
My interests are in eliminating famine.
My interests are in treating animals humanely.

You just want cheap meat for yourself.

[StCapps]

Yes, they should.
Factory farming should not exist.
You just aren't prepared to give up cheap meat. Just like you are not prepared to pay for a lower carbon footprint.
Shitty self-interests getting in the way of a better life for all.

No, they shouldn't. Your self-interests do not Trump the self-interests of meat eaters. The only one standing in the way of better life for all, are the people wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

My interests aren't self-interests though.
My interests are in not destroying bio-diversity to feed your caged animals.
My interests are in eliminating famine.
My interests are in treating animals humanely.

You just want cheap meat for yourself.

Your interests are self-interests, just because you claim to want a better world for everyone, including the animals, doesn't change that.

You want the moral high ground, but you don't actually have it, you just think you do. You think everyone who eats meat is for all the worst practices of the Meat Industry, just because they won't stop eating meat. That is an obvious strawman demonizing those you disagree with.

The problem with most vegans, is they think they are more moral than those who aren't vegans, and they act like insufferably sanctimonious douche bags because they think they are holier than thou and thus look down their noses at those who haven't adopted their chosen lifestyle. Fuck those Vegans, and the horse they wouldn't ride in on, because that's animal slavery or some shit.

[Montegriffo]

No, they shouldn't. Your self-interests do not Trump the self-interests of meat eaters. The only one standing in the way of better life for all, are the people wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

My interests aren't self-interests though.
My interests are in not destroying bio-diversity to feed your caged animals.
My interests are in eliminating famine.
My interests are in treating animals humanely.

You just want cheap meat for yourself.

Your interests are self-interests, just because you claim to want a better world for everyone, including the animals, doesn't change that.

You want the moral high ground, but you don't actually have it, you just think you do. You think everyone who eats meat is for all the worst practices of the Meat Industry, just because they won't stop eating meat. That is an obvious strawman demonizing those you disagree with.

The problem with most vegans, is they think they are more moral than those who aren't vegans, and they act like insufferably sanctimonious douche bag because because they think they are holier than thou.

If we are now at the point in the discussion where you tell me what I think and what my motives are I'm out.
I've got huge piles of vegetation to burn before I head back to England so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with your strawmen.

[StCapps]

Monte knows he's losing and ducks out before he embarrasses himself any further, good decision.

[Montegriffo]

Monte knows he's losing and ducks out before he embarrasses himself any further, good decision.

Still telling me what I think and what my motives are.
I've still got better things to do than argue with your misrepresentation of what I say.
/shrug

[pineapplemike]

fuck animals, the food chain of command rules the world. nature isn't going to have sympathy for you when harambe tears your kid in half or when that bear fucks up leonardo dicaprio, it is a blessing that animal rights are even up for debate. people like me that spend the extra few dollars on cage free or preferably free range eggs are the abolitionists of 2019 fighting for the rights of the forgotten

[Speaker to Animals]

Stop telling people what to eat.