Plutarch on animal ethics

[doc_loliday]

It would help if you just stated one argument at time, rather than a string of them that circularly depend on the others.

I ain't in the business of helping you make your case for you, that's on you.

Some people are healthier with a vegan diet, other people are healthier with a carnivore diet, some people are healthier eating plants, animals and animal products. One size, does not fit all.

That wasn't directed at you, it was directed at John.

The only clear thing that he's said is that its not immoral to eat meat.

[StCapps]

It would help if you just stated one argument at time, rather than a string of them that circularly depend on the others.

I ain't in the business of helping you make your case for you, that's on you.

Some people are healthier with a vegan diet, other people are healthier with a carnivore diet, some people are healthier eating plants, animals and animal products. One size, does not fit all.

That wasn't directed at you, it was directed at John.

The only clear thing that he's said is that its not immoral to eat meat.

Lulz thought your post was a JohnDonne post, my bad, but my point still stands, lets see if he'll clarify his position, or try to avoid the argument because he knows he's going to lose.

[JohnDonne]

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There's multiple problems with animal agriculture, we can talk about them, without a barrage of straw-men.

Agreed, lots of problems with animal agriculture, that doesn't mean the solution is veganism. It just means work on the problems with animal agriculture and don't throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. If you want to be a vegan, or pitch people on the virtues of veganism, knock yourself out, everyone in the world going vegan, is not going to be good for the environment, just like if everyone went on the carnivore diet, it wouldn't be good for the environment.

Until you work on the problems of animal agriculture, which includes killing and enslaving sentient beings and destroying the environment, the solution is to go vegan. It's a real solution where you take personal responsibility, not just saying, "We can work on stuff." And then going back to eating steak.

And actually, everyone going vegan would make the world a vastly better place, it would be much better for the environment. [/list]

[StCapps]

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There's multiple problems with animal agriculture, we can talk about them, without a barrage of straw-men.

Agreed, lots of problems with animal agriculture, that doesn't mean the solution is veganism. It just means work on the problems with animal agriculture and don't throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. If you want to be a vegan, or pitch people on the virtues of veganism, knock yourself out, everyone in the world going vegan, is not going to be good for the environment, just like if everyone went on the carnivore diet, it wouldn't be good for the environment.

Until you work on the problems of animal agriculture, which includes killing and enslaving sentient beings and destroying the environment, the solution is to go vegan. It's a real solution where you take personal responsibility, not just saying, "We can work on stuff." And then going back to eating steak.

And actually, everyone going vegan would make the world a vastly better place, it would be much better for the environment.

Some people are healthier with a vegan diet, other people are healthier with a carnivore diet, some people are healthier with a more balanced diet, one size, does not fit all. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

[doc_loliday]

Its wrong to kill sentient animals because of deforestation? Damn, that's harsh. At least I'm killing them for food. Top soil dont even care if it's being stripped.

[JohnDonne]

I'm just surprised that in all of your conversations, with innumerable people, you've never considered demonstrating why it is wrong.

That's weird because you and I have had conversations about this before. It got pretty philosophical but I recall being consistent in my reasoning.

[doc_loliday]

Were all waiting for those reasons. Maybe next thread.

[JohnDonne]

Some people are healthier with a vegan diet, other people are healthier with a carnivore diet, some people are healthier with a more balanced diet, one size, does not fit all. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

I'm not a nutritional expert, I simply repeat what studies have shown, which is that the vegan diet is nutritionally adequate and is associated with many health benefits.

Even if you were right that some people are healthier on meat, that wouldn't be a justification for killing animals if they were already healthy.

[doc_loliday]

Dont get me wrong, I dont spend a ton of time on here and I'd much rather argue with someone on a philosophical matter than agree on the same shit. I hope you can appreciate what I'm asking of you. You're not being clear on why you oppose eating meat.

[Montegriffo]

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Agreed, lots of problems with animal agriculture, that doesn't mean the solution is veganism. It just means work on the problems with animal agriculture and don't throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. If you want to be a vegan, or pitch people on the virtues of veganism, knock yourself out, everyone in the world going vegan, is not going to be good for the environment, just like if everyone went on the carnivore diet, it wouldn't be good for the environment.

Until you work on the problems of animal agriculture, which includes killing and enslaving sentient beings and destroying the environment, the solution is to go vegan. It's a real solution where you take personal responsibility, not just saying, "We can work on stuff." And then going back to eating steak.

And actually, everyone going vegan would make the world a vastly better place, it would be much better for the environment.

Some people are healthier with a vegan diet, other people are healthier with a carnivore diet, some people are healthier with a more balanced diet, one size, does not fit all. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

No one is healthy with a carnivore diet.
Meat does not contain all the nutrients needed.
Eat only meat and you will die.
A vegan or vegetarian diet on the other hand is perfectly sustainable.