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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:57 am

Hell this is a guy who refused to attack Hillary on the emails, despite the fact that it would have been a great benefit to him to do so. What makes you think he'll go after Biden with any ferocity? History says he uses kid gloves on the centrist lane candidates. Everyone else is going to attack Biden, Sanders can play the high ground card and just let them do it for him.
No he can't and I doubt he will. That refusal was early on in that primary. Sanders in the beginning thought he had no chance and wasnt given a chance by anyone. He was only there to drag that party farther to the left to be a good ambassador but when he started winning primaries he tried to pivot and attack her but by then it was already too late. I doubt he will make that same mistake twice. Same thing about getting cucked by BLM in Seattle, tried the same thing in Philly quickly shot that down. Now he is one of the frontrunners and can be the aggressor. He won't make the same mistakes twice, he will make new ones but not old ones.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by Ph64 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:06 am

clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:57 am
Hell this is a guy who refused to attack Hillary on the emails, despite the fact that it would have been a great benefit to him to do so. What makes you think he'll go after Biden with any ferocity? History says he uses kid gloves on the centrist lane candidates. Everyone else is going to attack Biden, Sanders can play the high ground card and just let them do it for him.
No he can't and I doubt he will. That refusal was early on in that primary. Sanders in the beginning thought he had no chance and wasnt given a chance by anyone. He was only there to drag that party farther to the left to be a good ambassador but when he started winning primaries he tried to pivot and attack her but by then it was already too late. I doubt he will make that same mistake twice. Same thing about getting cucked by BLM in Seattle, tried the same thing in Philly quickly shot that down. Now he is one of the frontrunners and can be the aggressor. He won't make the same mistakes twice, he will make new ones but not old ones.
Regardless, Bernie probably doesn't stand a chance. Old white guy, he's not gonna get the far-left vote.

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Re: 2020 election

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"Sniffing Pede" Joe Biden. Just remember this when you think about him in the White House.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:40 pm

clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:57 am
Hell this is a guy who refused to attack Hillary on the emails, despite the fact that it would have been a great benefit to him to do so. What makes you think he'll go after Biden with any ferocity? History says he uses kid gloves on the centrist lane candidates. Everyone else is going to attack Biden, Sanders can play the high ground card and just let them do it for him.
No he can't and I doubt he will. That refusal was early on in that primary. Sanders in the beginning thought he had no chance and wasnt given a chance by anyone. He was only there to drag that party farther to the left to be a good ambassador but when he started winning primaries he tried to pivot and attack her but by then it was already too late. I doubt he will make that same mistake twice. Same thing about getting cucked by BLM in Seattle, tried the same thing in Philly quickly shot that down. Now he is one of the frontrunners and can be the aggressor. He won't make the same mistakes twice, he will make new ones but not old ones.
Bernie used kid gloves the whole time dude. As I layed out, bringing down Biden is not to his advantage, and bringing down Sanders is not to Biden's advantage. Harris is in the top 3, she's going to take plenty of hits, especially from the far-left candidates who need her voters to stay viable, your "stay clean" theory is not to Harris advantage, and she lacks the name recognition of Biden or Sanders.

Being a white male may not be an advantage, but it doesn't preclude Biden or Sanders from taking the nomination, the far left identitarian is clogged, the far left socialist lane, and the centrist lane are dominated by Sanders and Biden. That doesn't play well for Harris, but she's still the third most likely winner.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:00 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:40 pm
clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:57 am
Hell this is a guy who refused to attack Hillary on the emails, despite the fact that it would have been a great benefit to him to do so. What makes you think he'll go after Biden with any ferocity? History says he uses kid gloves on the centrist lane candidates. Everyone else is going to attack Biden, Sanders can play the high ground card and just let them do it for him.
No he can't and I doubt he will. That refusal was early on in that primary. Sanders in the beginning thought he had no chance and wasnt given a chance by anyone. He was only there to drag that party farther to the left to be a good ambassador but when he started winning primaries he tried to pivot and attack her but by then it was already too late. I doubt he will make that same mistake twice. Same thing about getting cucked by BLM in Seattle, tried the same thing in Philly quickly shot that down. Now he is one of the frontrunners and can be the aggressor. He won't make the same mistakes twice, he will make new ones but not old ones.
Bernie used kid gloves the whole time dude. As I layed out, bringing down Biden is not to his advantage, and bringing down Sanders is not to Biden's advantage. Harris is in the top 3, she's going to take plenty of hits, especially from the far-left candidates who need her voters to stay viable, your "stay clean" theory is not to Harris advantage, and she lacks the name recognition of Biden or Sanders.

Being a white male may not be an advantage, but it doesn't preclude Biden or Sanders from taking the nomination, the far left identitarian is clogged, the far left socialist lane, and the centrist lane are dominated by Sanders and Biden. That doesn't play well for Harris, but she's still the third most likely winner.
That lack of name recognition works in her favor. For someone like that negative attacks is publicity and when name ID counts any publicity is good publicity. If not Harris someone else will use it. Booker, or Warren. As of now it is a free for all there is no lanes and you better make your own lane.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 pm

clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:00 pm
That lack of name recognition works in her favor. For someone like that negative attacks is publicity and when name ID counts any publicity is good publicity. If not Harris someone else will use it. Booker, or Warren. As of now it is a free for all there is no lanes and you better make your own lane.
There are always lanes, it's never a free for all. You cite 2004, when a Biden-esque candidate won by winning over the centrist lane, as your "free for all". Don't snow bro.

Let's take a look back at the last five winners of primaries that ran against an incumbent POTUS who ended up getting re-elected.
1972: McGovern (won the far left lane)
1984: Mondale ( won the centrist lane)
1996: Dole (won the centrist lane)
2004: Kerry (won the centrist lane)
2012: Romney (won the centrist lane)

Not a single thing even close to a free for all, aside from 1972, where the far-left consolidated behind McGovern, so the lanes theory still applies. Warren is trying to pivot back to center in the primaries, which screws over her chances of winning the far left, and is hilarious. Booker is a lightweight in a clogged lane, Beto is a lightweight in unclogged lane.

Three realistic winners of a primary is not a free for all, only Biden, Sanders and Harris have a real shot at it.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:12 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 pm
clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:00 pm
That lack of name recognition works in her favor. For someone like that negative attacks is publicity and when name ID counts any publicity is good publicity. If not Harris someone else will use it. Booker, or Warren. As of now it is a free for all there is no lanes and you better make your own lane.
There are always lanes, it's never a free for all. You cite 2004, when a Biden-esque candidate won by winning over the centrist lane, as your "free for all". Don't snow bro.
John Kerry was never that, he was a liberal. He was more liberal than Gebhardt and in some ways even more liberal than Dean in 2004 not paint sniffing Dean of 2010's. The lane he created was not centrist it was "electable."

It was biography, did you know Kerry was a Vietnam Veteran? The narrative in comparison to the vulnerable incumbent. He was some draft dodger serving in the National Guard which was compared to a frat party at the time.

Do you know that Harris is a biracial woman that came from a modest background while the vulnerable incumbent is an old cis white male racist from a rich family. The narrative is like catnip to these people.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:13 pm

clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:12 pm
StCapps wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 pm
clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:00 pm
That lack of name recognition works in her favor. For someone like that negative attacks is publicity and when name ID counts any publicity is good publicity. If not Harris someone else will use it. Booker, or Warren. As of now it is a free for all there is no lanes and you better make your own lane.
There are always lanes, it's never a free for all. You cite 2004, when a Biden-esque candidate won by winning over the centrist lane, as your "free for all". Don't snow bro.
John Kerry was never that, he was a liberal. He was more liberal than Gebhardt and in some ways even more liberal than Dean in 2004 not paint sniffing Dean of 2010's. The lane he created was not centrist it was "electable."

It was biography, did you know Kerry was a Vietnam Veteran? The narrative in comparison to the vulnerable incumbent. He was some draft dodger serving in the National Guard which was compared to a frat party at the time.

Do you know that Harris is a biracial woman that came from a modest background while the vulnerable incumbent is an old cis white male racist from a rich family. The narrative is like catnip to these people.
The electable lane, is the centrist lane. The far-left lane, is not electable. Harris is in a clogged lane, she only wins if the lane unclogs quick enough for her to win a few early primary states to build some momentum. Biden is more electable than Harris or Sanders, he'll fare the best against Trump, hence him having the centrist lane on lock down right now.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:15 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 pm
clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:00 pm
That lack of name recognition works in her favor. For someone like that negative attacks is publicity and when name ID counts any publicity is good publicity. If not Harris someone else will use it. Booker, or Warren. As of now it is a free for all there is no lanes and you better make your own lane.
There are always lanes, it's never a free for all. You cite 2004, when a Biden-esque candidate won by winning over the centrist lane, as your "free for all". Don't snow bro.

Let's take a look back at the last five winners of primaries that ran against an incumbent POTUS who ended up getting re-elected.
1972: McGovern (won the far left lane)
1984: Mondale ( won the centrist lane)
1996: Dole (won the centrist lane)
2004: Kerry (won the centrist lane)
2012: Romney (won the centrist lane)

Not a single thing even close to a free for all, aside from 1972, where the far-left consolidated behind McGovern, so the lanes theory still applies. Warren is trying to pivot back to center in the primaries, which screws over her chances of winning the far left, and is hilarious. Booker is a lightweight in a clogged lane, Beto is a lightweight in unclogged lane.

Three realistic winners of a primary is not a free for all, only Biden, Sanders and Harris have a real shot at it.
You are wrong about 72, more on that later. But you are presupposing an outcome here you can't presuppose here. Trump has the mo, and I believe he has an advantage but he can still easily lose this race.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:19 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:13 pm
clubgop wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:12 pm
StCapps wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:01 pm
There are always lanes, it's never a free for all. You cite 2004, when a Biden-esque candidate won by winning over the centrist lane, as your "free for all". Don't snow bro.
John Kerry was never that, he was a liberal. He was more liberal than Gebhardt and in some ways even more liberal than Dean in 2004 not paint sniffing Dean of 2010's. The lane he created was not centrist it was "electable."

It was biography, did you know Kerry was a Vietnam Veteran? The narrative in comparison to the vulnerable incumbent. He was some draft dodger serving in the National Guard which was compared to a frat party at the time.

Do you know that Harris is a biracial woman that came from a modest background while the vulnerable incumbent is an old cis white male racist from a rich family. The narrative is like catnip to these people.
The electable lane, is the centrist lane. The far-left lane, is not electable.
No, no, no, and no. As of now a "centrist" is unelectable for that party. No one is focused on a General right now I believe for most of these people, beating Trump is a forgone conclusion.