Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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Hello out there, fans of the federal constitution (generally) and the Tenth Amendment (specifically).


The Constitutional Solution to Immigration
In July of 2015, Kate Steinle, a United States citizen, was shot and mortally wounded by a man who was in this country illegally, with a firearm stolen from a government agent, who, it should be mentioned, was employed by a federal agency that has no authority to exist under the Constitution.

Commentary regarding this tragedy centers on the status of San Francisco as a sanctuary city and the violation of federal immigration laws, both by the defendant, Jose Zarate, and the city. Zarate was awaiting his sixth deportation and was released by federal immigration officials to the Sheriff’s Department in San Francisco, who subsequently released him pursuant to their policies as a sanctuary city.

But absent from the discussion has been the issue of who has the authority to create and enforce immigration policies in the first place.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution empowers Congress to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Naturalization, however, means who may become a United States citizen, not who may enter into the nation’s borders, which is immigration.

The use of the term “Nation” is problematic and is the heart of the issue when one considers the history of the founding of our current system of government.

The Constitution was submitted to thirteen states for ratification. The states were sovereign and independent, and through a compact, formed a Union which was voluntary in nature – sentiments expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, they retained the right to determine who they would allow to cross their borders and live within their societies. Because this right was never delegated to the general government by the states, the right to decide immigration policies rested with the states, a fact reiterated by the Tenth Amendment.

James Madison initially proposed a strong central government. But after the Virginia Plan was rejected outright in Philadelphia, he conceded that the new government was federal, and not national in nature.

In Federalist #39, Madison wrote:

“It appears, on one hand, that the Constitution is to be founded on the assent and ratification of the people of America, given by deputies elected for the special purpose; but, on the other, that this assent and ratification is to be given by the people, not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong. It is to be the assent and ratification of the several States, derived from the supreme authority in each State, the authority of the people themselves. The act, therefore, establishing the Constitution, will not be a national, but a federal act.”

What does this mean in terms of immigration?

It means that the authority to determine citizenship in the Union as a whole rests with the general government, but the power to control immigration remains with the states. But today, the federal nature of the American system of government has been dismantled, and the states are now secondary to the whole, the complete opposite of the government that was consented to.

So, how exactly has immigration become a national issue?

Much like any other unconstitutional expansion of the general government, it has been through a deliberate misinterpretation of the Constitution. As expected, such misinterpretations consistently result in the expansion of the scope and power of the national government.

Article I, section 9 reads, in relevant part, “The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight…”

This section was added to gain the cooperation of slaveholders in the ratification process and was intended to merely restrict the general government from banning the importation of slaves until the year 1808; in no way can it be implied that Congress had the authority to regulate immigration after that year. As stated, the powers delegated to Congress were enumerated in Article I, section 8. Naturalization, not immigration is listed.

Clearly, sovereign entities (states) would be reluctant to surrender their authority to determine who can enter and live within their borders; local policy and social decision-making authority were to rest with the states. That is the very essence of the federal system that was consented to. With a national system, such decisions affecting 320 million people are made decided by a select few, sometimes even as few as five. The American War for Independence was fought to preserve a system of consent by the governed, where individuals were represented by local government bodies.

When we allow ourselves to live under a system of national rule, every issue becomes a point of contention, and “inconsistent state rulings” serve to justify a decree by the Supreme Court, often in matters it has no authority under the Constitution to hear in the first place.

To complicate matters, the government allows those who cross borders illegally to collect benefits, so there is a financial reward available to these people for breaking the laws. Should a state decide to open its borders, it should be able to do so, under the Constitution as ratified. A neighboring state could refuse to provide benefits, free education, housing, medical care to such individuals, forcing the host state to bear the financial burden of its policy. Laws passed in California and Texas this year reveal how these differing approaches to immigration work together.

Unfortunately, the national financial lure allows illegal immigration to all of the states, regardless of the preferences of the citizens of the different states.

California has elected to become a sanctuary state, and it should bear the responsibility for the burdens this policy creates. Thanks to nationalism and the fact that states are merely a subsidiary of the whole, those who enter states with lax borders and sanctuary policies, may now burden other states, as they are free to travel and collect benefits across the Union. What this means is one state’s residents must pay the price for the policy-making decisions of another. The founders and ratifiers took painstaking measures to ensure this would not happen, and to accept that federal domination over the states when it comes to immigration laws is to reject the notion that the states are capable of self-governance. If we reject that, then we have surrendered our Revolutionary legacy.
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Re: Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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Fife wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:00 pm Hello out there, fans of the federal constitution (generally) and the Tenth Amendment (specifically).


The Constitutional Solution to Immigration
In July of 2015, Kate Steinle, a United States citizen, was shot and mortally wounded by a man who was in this country illegally, with a firearm stolen from a government agent, who, it should be mentioned, was employed by a federal agency that has no authority to exist under the Constitution.

Commentary regarding this tragedy centers on the status of San Francisco as a sanctuary city and the violation of federal immigration laws, both by the defendant, Jose Zarate, and the city. Zarate was awaiting his sixth deportation and was released by federal immigration officials to the Sheriff’s Department in San Francisco, who subsequently released him pursuant to their policies as a sanctuary city.

But absent from the discussion has been the issue of who has the authority to create and enforce immigration policies in the first place.

Article I, section 8, clause 4 of the United States Constitution empowers Congress to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Naturalization, however, means who may become a United States citizen, not who may enter into the nation’s borders, which is immigration.

The use of the term “Nation” is problematic and is the heart of the issue when one considers the history of the founding of our current system of government.

The Constitution was submitted to thirteen states for ratification. The states were sovereign and independent, and through a compact, formed a Union which was voluntary in nature – sentiments expressed in the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, they retained the right to determine who they would allow to cross their borders and live within their societies. Because this right was never delegated to the general government by the states, the right to decide immigration policies rested with the states, a fact reiterated by the Tenth Amendment.

James Madison initially proposed a strong central government. But after the Virginia Plan was rejected outright in Philadelphia, he conceded that the new government was federal, and not national in nature.

In Federalist #39, Madison wrote:

“It appears, on one hand, that the Constitution is to be founded on the assent and ratification of the people of America, given by deputies elected for the special purpose; but, on the other, that this assent and ratification is to be given by the people, not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong. It is to be the assent and ratification of the several States, derived from the supreme authority in each State, the authority of the people themselves. The act, therefore, establishing the Constitution, will not be a national, but a federal act.”

What does this mean in terms of immigration?

It means that the authority to determine citizenship in the Union as a whole rests with the general government, but the power to control immigration remains with the states. But today, the federal nature of the American system of government has been dismantled, and the states are now secondary to the whole, the complete opposite of the government that was consented to.

So, how exactly has immigration become a national issue?

Much like any other unconstitutional expansion of the general government, it has been through a deliberate misinterpretation of the Constitution. As expected, such misinterpretations consistently result in the expansion of the scope and power of the national government.

Article I, section 9 reads, in relevant part, “The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight…”

This section was added to gain the cooperation of slaveholders in the ratification process and was intended to merely restrict the general government from banning the importation of slaves until the year 1808; in no way can it be implied that Congress had the authority to regulate immigration after that year. As stated, the powers delegated to Congress were enumerated in Article I, section 8. Naturalization, not immigration is listed.

Clearly, sovereign entities (states) would be reluctant to surrender their authority to determine who can enter and live within their borders; local policy and social decision-making authority were to rest with the states. That is the very essence of the federal system that was consented to. With a national system, such decisions affecting 320 million people are made decided by a select few, sometimes even as few as five. The American War for Independence was fought to preserve a system of consent by the governed, where individuals were represented by local government bodies.

When we allow ourselves to live under a system of national rule, every issue becomes a point of contention, and “inconsistent state rulings” serve to justify a decree by the Supreme Court, often in matters it has no authority under the Constitution to hear in the first place.

To complicate matters, the government allows those who cross borders illegally to collect benefits, so there is a financial reward available to these people for breaking the laws. Should a state decide to open its borders, it should be able to do so, under the Constitution as ratified. A neighboring state could refuse to provide benefits, free education, housing, medical care to such individuals, forcing the host state to bear the financial burden of its policy. Laws passed in California and Texas this year reveal how these differing approaches to immigration work together.

Unfortunately, the national financial lure allows illegal immigration to all of the states, regardless of the preferences of the citizens of the different states.

California has elected to become a sanctuary state, and it should bear the responsibility for the burdens this policy creates. Thanks to nationalism and the fact that states are merely a subsidiary of the whole, those who enter states with lax borders and sanctuary policies, may now burden other states, as they are free to travel and collect benefits across the Union. What this means is one state’s residents must pay the price for the policy-making decisions of another. The founders and ratifiers took painstaking measures to ensure this would not happen, and to accept that federal domination over the states when it comes to immigration laws is to reject the notion that the states are capable of self-governance. If we reject that, then we have surrendered our Revolutionary legacy.
What, if any, federal policies would you like to see apply to all states?
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Re: Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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What? My "wants" dont mean shit. That's not this thread.
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Fife wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:12 pm What? My "wants" dont mean shit. That's not this thread.
My apologies. I am not a fan of "sanctuary cities", nor am I a fan of city bailouts or anything like that. I get the vibe that you are not down with the Federal plantation. I was just wondering if you have any feelings on the role of the federal govt. It not having any role is also a viable opinion.
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Re: Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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Restrict Federal benefits to US citizens.
States can continue to allow whomever they want to enter their borders as non-citizens, but they bear sole responsibility for them.
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Oh . . . and add the citizenship question to the census.

If California, Texas, and the Southwest want to pay state funds to support a large non-citizen immigrant population that brings them neither federal dollars nor political representation, cool. Go for it. Your state. Spend that state money on what you want.
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DBTrek wrote: Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:25 pm Oh . . . and add the citizenship question to the census.

If California, Texas, and the Southwest want to pay state funds to support a large non-citizen immigrant population that brings them neither federal dollars nor political representation, cool. Go for it. Your state. Spend that state money on what you want.
I see two problems with this (though I'm not necessarily opposed in theory):

1. The immigrants could travel to other states which would lead to an expansion of the government in order to monitor their activities. The govt would become more invasive etc

2. I can also see the govt setting up checkpoints between states. I DO NOT want to have to go through a checkpoint to cross a stateline, though I think this is the way of the future, and I can see keeping track of immigrants as the excuse the govt would use to implement this policy.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure imo. I'd rather see us aggressively policing our borders and upholding laws on the books and deporting all non citizens with great abandon then let them burrow in like Termitos.
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Re: Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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Why would non-citizens cross state lines, unless a neighboring state was handing out better benefits to them?

Once they are garaunteed NOTHING from the Federal government, and once their presence brings in zero additional political power, they will likely migrate to the friendliest non-citizen states and stay there, don’t you think?

If California is giving away free education, medical care, and housing, but Nevada is giving away nothing ... why would they cross to Nevada?
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Re: Immigration is *Not* a Federal Issue

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DBTrek wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:00 pm Why would non-citizens cross state lines, unless a neighboring state was handing out better benefits to them?

Once they are garaunteed NOTHING from the Federal government, and once their presence brings in zero additional political power, they will likely migrate to the friendliest non-citizen states and stay there, don’t you think?

If California is giving away free education, medical care, and housing, but Nevada is giving away nothing ... why would they cross to Nevada?
Well, a certain percentage of them are living off the grid so to speak, and involved in crime and gangs so I would imagine that subset wouldn't be bound to one state. This would also apply to fugitives who are fleeing a court date or whatever. I get what you are saying, and you are right most of them would stay in the places with the best benefits, but I think having a large number of non citizen living in a foreign country is a powder keg waiting to explode.
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