F35 vs. A10?

[Smitty-48]

8 miles is in the detection range for F-22, F-35, and B-2, eight miles is too close for stealth, at that range you'll have to light the pipes and pull g, but in the event of, only F-22 is faster and more agile than F-35, once combat loaded.

[C-Mag]

If some Adidas tracksuit-wearing mongrels can shoot down an F-117 Nighthawk from eight miles away, with some shit-tiered Russian hardware Putin loaned them

That's just a funny line

[Smitty-48]

Eight miles is well WVR, that's dogfighting range, if you let yourself get in that close, you're not doing it right, but if you fuck up, there are other systems which kick in, EODAS All Seeing Eye, Barracuda Self Protection Jamming, and combat loaded maneuver metrics which exceed all 4th gen fighters.

[Smitty-48]

In actual fact, most SAM's miss by a mile, the pilot just outmaneuvers their energy because they have to climb to get him, the SAM that gets you, is the one you didn't see, that's where EODAS comes into play, sees them all, tracks them for you, warns you where they are coming from.

[Smitty-48]

Same thing with AAM's, without stealth, you're launching from so far away, most of your missiles are wasted, because they have no energy by the time they get to the target, and he isn't there anymore because he saw them coming from way off.

[Smitty-48]

If someone launches an AAM at you from stand off range, you can actually just defeat that with a tactic called Beaming.

The radar is Pulse Doppler, so if you have the time, you just turn 90 degrees to it and drop chaff, the missile chases the chaff, loses energy as it does, and misses by a mile.

To make an AMRAAM lethal, you need to get to the no escape zone before you shoot, that is what F-35 brings to the table, no time to defeat the high energy missile delivered without warning from stealth range.

You can actually use the EODAS and the data link to launch the AMRAAM all passive, no radar on, no warning received, he doesn't know its coming, until the last moment when it is too late.

[Speaker to Animals]

Eight miles is well WVR, that's dogfighting range, if you let yourself get in that close, you're not doing it right, but if you fuck up, there are other systems which kick in, EODAS All Seeing Eye, Barracuda Self Protection Jamming, and combat loaded maneuver metrics which exceed all 4th gen fighters.

Did you miss the part where the F-117 Nighthawk had to have at least ten times smaller RCS than an F-35. For an F-35.. you can scale that out really fucking far.

[Smitty-48]

Eight miles is well WVR, that's dogfighting range, if you let yourself get in that close, you're not doing it right, but if you fuck up, there are other systems which kick in, EODAS All Seeing Eye, Barracuda Self Protection Jamming, and combat loaded maneuver metrics which exceed all 4th gen fighters.

Did you miss the part where the F-117 Nighthawk had to have at least ten times smaller RCS than an F-35. For an F-35.. you can scale that out really fucking far.

Fake news. F-117 is not that stealthy, B-2 has half the RCS of the F-117, F-35 has half the RCS of the B-2, F-35 is four times as stealthy as F-117.

[Speaker to Animals]

Eight miles is well WVR, that's dogfighting range, if you let yourself get in that close, you're not doing it right, but if you fuck up, there are other systems which kick in, EODAS All Seeing Eye, Barracuda Self Protection Jamming, and combat loaded maneuver metrics which exceed all 4th gen fighters.

Did you miss the part where the F-117 Nighthawk had to have at least ten times smaller RCS than an F-35. For an F-35.. you can scale that out really fucking far.

Fake news. F-117 is not that stealthy, B-2 has half the RCS of the F-117, F-35 has half the RCS of the B-2, F-35 is four times as stealthy as F-117.

You are high as fuck right now, then. The F-117 was far stealthier than an F-35. Not even on the same order of magnitude. They sacrificed all performance and payload to make the Nighthawk as stealthy as possible.

And the B-2 is the least stealthy of them all.

You have no idea what you are even talking about right now.

[Smitty-48]

Fake news. Stealth is not calculated by shaping alone, it's a combination of shaping and RAM, the RAM on F-22, F-35, and B-2, combat conditions, is far better than on F-117.

B-2 actually has the smallest RCS front on; 0.0001m2, but the F-35 is smaller from more angles, the B-2 RCS is much bigger if/when it exposes its underbelly to radar, so again, you can't just fly the B-2 straight in without using tactics.

The crews are the tacticians, they have to plan their attack, then read and react, to optimize their VLO in relation to the threats.

In Yugoslavia, the F-117 crews didn't do it, kept flying down the same route over and over, until the Serbs just lay in wait and shot at the next thing that came up the valley.

No planning, no tactics, the F-117 just flew straight into a radar at point blank, flying up the valley blind. He also had his bomb bay doors open exposing himself, and once the missile was launched, it's an F-117, sitting duck, can't maneuver worth a shit.

F-35 incorporates all the lessons learned from F-117, and is as result not a one trick pony like that, but rather employs a system of systems, of which stealth is only one.