F35 vs. A10?

F35 vs A10?

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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by C-Mag » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:00 pm

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Yeah, I admit that was really fucked up and cynical. Then they tried to kill CAS. They just wanted the funding, not really the mission. Air Force actually looks down on CAS as a shit-tier mission when it is actually keeping our countrymen alive.
CAS is the most important mission air power can provide. Has been since WWI.
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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:03 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:00 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:44 pm

Yeah, I admit that was really fucked up and cynical. Then they tried to kill CAS. They just wanted the funding, not really the mission. Air Force actually looks down on CAS as a shit-tier mission when it is actually keeping our countrymen alive.
CAS is the most important mission air power can provide. Has been since WWI.
I wouldn't say that. The most important mission is establishing air dominance. After that is strategic bombing.

Where I disagree with the Air Force people who shit on CAS is that I would tell them, if they were infantry, CAS would certainly be the most important Air Force mission to them. Winning wars while minimizing American casualties and fatalities should be an overriding objective. If God forbid some Air Force base gets surrounded, Army isn't going to shit on the mission to get us free.

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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:04 pm

In the few years before his death, Jerry Pournelle made some interesting arguments in favor of reintegrating the Air Force back into the Army for this reason.

If we are separating things like Space Command out and putting those into the Space Force, this might actually make sense.

This whole F-35 debacle shows how clearly this is fucked up. Of course the F-35 is never going to fill CAS roles. A-10s are reaching their max flight hours. That just leaves AC-130, which is really only for special operations.

Infantry is getting fucked hard by this shit.

F-15X isn't going to be all that great at CAS. Air interdiction, sure, but it's not great for working right up next to American troops. Neither is the F-16, as friendly fire incidents affirm. F-35 is worse than the F-16 for this.

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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:16 pm

Arm the allies with pocket Raptors, let their infantry do the fighting supported by stealth tactical interdiction.

Sending American boots with A-10's is folly, let Israel or Norway or whomever fight their own ground fights.
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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:16 pm

Acting like the F-16 is better, when it isn't even that much cheaper, doesn't have anywhere near the bells and whistles of the F-35, and if you did upgrade the F-16 with a lot of those bells and whistles, it would be more expensive than F-35, that is just flat out silly.

Go home DSL, you're drunk.
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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:18 pm

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Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:16 pm
Acting like the F-16 is better, when it isn't even that much cheaper, and doesn't have anywhere near the bells and whistles of the F-35, is flat out silly. Go home DSL, you're drunk.
It's 100% cheaper than an F-35, genius.

0 dollars is cheaper than 100+ million. Not that cost was the argument.

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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:21 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:18 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:16 pm
Acting like the F-16 is better, when it isn't even that much cheaper, and doesn't have anywhere near the bells and whistles of the F-35, is flat out silly. Go home DSL, you're drunk.
It's 100% cheaper than an F-35, genius.
Yeah and it's notably worse at doing the job, a little extra savings to skimp on quality isn't the solution. If you load up the F-16 with many of the bells and whistles of the F-35, it's actually more expensive than the F-35, and still shittier at the job. So pretending the F-35 is super expensive, is just straight up lying on your part.

Expensive boondoggle my ass, you just have your head so far up the Winslow Wheeler's ass that you can't see straight.
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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:22 pm

F-35 is the literal replacement for the F-16. They perform the same role.

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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:23 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:22 pm
F-35 is the literal replacement for the F-16. They perform the same role.
F-35 does it way better and can do a lot more.
/shrugs

When it comes to bang for the buck, F-35 kicks the F-16's ass, nice try Winslow.
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Re: F35 vs. A10?

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:24 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:16 pm
Acting like the F-16 is better, when it isn't even that much cheaper, doesn't have anywhere near the bells and whistles of the F-35, and if you did upgrade the F-16 with a lot of those bells and whistles, it would be more expensive than F-35, that is just flat out silly.
Built in obsolescence. The entire American economy is about building a better mouse trap and then producing it on a scale which the competition cannot, resulting in economies of scale which make the American better mouse trap cheaper than the European ones.

Thus is how America came to dominate the market with F-16. F-35 is simply wash, rinse, repeat the proven strategy.

Moreover it comports with MAGA, not only by jobs and intellectual property centralized in the CONUS, it also sells advanced American weapons to allies so they can fight their own wars, while America just hangs back and conducts strategic level deterrence.

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