The Armory - Guns, Knives, and Axes

[Speaker to Animals]

Point being, when people who don't actually understand this shit get in the decision process, they end up like nukedog. He likes it because he thinks it looks cool. He doesn't know anything about planes. He believes Smitty who also knows nothing about any of this shit, and has been spouting nonsense for days. But nukedog doesn't know any better, so what are you supposed to do?

The F-22 wasn't so bad, and it's possible to design a new F-22 model with some of this kind of tech in it. I'd argue that new tech is a mistake, but it would at least go into a platform that works. For every role the F-35 was actually sold to fill, not only do we not need stealth, but stealth actually limited its capabilities to the point where it doesn't really work. It can only carry four medium-ranged missiles, for instance. That's it. No long-range missiles coming out will fit, which is essential for actual stealth tactics. The tech in there still doesn't work. The helmet doesn't really work. The Marine version currently cannot fulfill its CAS role at all.

The situation is really fucking bad. We should be discussing why people are not going to prison over this, but instead we have people thinking the jet is cool because they don't know any better. Sad.

[C-Mag]

The Panther is the most advanced combat aircraft in the world, game changing revolutionary platform, but the game which congress mandated, was tactical interdiction. That being said, the Stealth, EODAS and Sensor Fusion simply happen to be exponential force multipliers which can be used for things congress never even thought of back when they issued the contract.

Cool.
I hope it lives up to all that. I'm waiting to see how it performs in combat over a length of time.

Now, from a US standpoint. This may be a brilliant business move. It appears they've sold a lot of countries on it.

Fingers crossed that you are right. How do I know General Goldfein isn't going to work for Lockheed next month?
There have been a lot of fantastic weapons systems sold and hyped over the years. The Bradley AFV was a real turd when it debuted. Since, it's developed into a decent combat piece, but hardly resembles what it was in 1981. The M16A0 similar. There have been some good ones too. The Abrahms was a dominate tank right away. The F6F Hellcat did exactly what it was designed to do, destroy Jap Zeros.

[Speaker to Animals]

He almost certainly will be rewarded by Lockmart either directly with a job at Lockmart or its subcontractors, or a job in one of the think tanks used to promote Lockmart products.

I cannot stress enough how much of a racket this is. It's a totally cynical con that sacrifices national security for tax dollars.

[TheReal_ND]

Imagine being this ass blasted over some shitty f16 clone getting axed

[C-Mag]

He almost certainly will be rewarded by Lockmart either directly with a job at Lockmart or its subcontractors, or a job in one of the think tanks used to promote Lockmart products.

I cannot stress enough how much of a racket this is. It's a totally cynical con that sacrifices national security for tax dollars.

F-35 can't even make me a sammich

[Speaker to Animals]

He almost certainly will be rewarded by Lockmart either directly with a job at Lockmart or its subcontractors, or a job in one of the think tanks used to promote Lockmart products.

I cannot stress enough how much of a racket this is. It's a totally cynical con that sacrifices national security for tax dollars.

F-35 can't even make me a sammich

Dude, shit is really bad. I think we could lose a war because of this.

[TheReal_ND]

That's where you're wrong. It has mission systems operating software, avionics, integrated electronic sensors, displays and STOVL fly by wire. It could easily make you a six million dollar sandwich.

[C-Mag]

He almost certainly will be rewarded by Lockmart either directly with a job at Lockmart or its subcontractors, or a job in one of the think tanks used to promote Lockmart products.

I cannot stress enough how much of a racket this is. It's a totally cynical con that sacrifices national security for tax dollars.

F-35 can't even make me a sammich

Dude, shit is really bad. I think we could lose a war because of this.

I wouldn't go that far. People lose wars, not equipment. Though bad equipment selection can sure help.

I've always been leery of super weapon systems. First of all they cost too fucking much. I don't know what the non sammich making F-35 costs, but I could probably recruit, train and equip an entire Brigade Combat Team or Infantry Division for the same cost. There's something to be said for good enough.

However, if all of NATO buys in, maybe we make the money back.

[C-Mag]

That's where you're wrong. It has mission systems operating software, avionics, integrated electronic sensors, displays and STOVL fly by wire. It could easily make you a six million dollar sandwich.

Ham, Cheddar, lettuce, mato, mayo on wheat please.

[Smitty-48]

Cool.
I hope it lives up to all that. I'm waiting to see how it performs in combat over a length of time.

Now, from a US standpoint. This may be a brilliant business move. It appears they've sold a lot of countries on it.

Fingers crossed that you are right. How do I know General Goldfein isn't going to work for Lockheed next month?

I would be more than happy to have General Goldfein join the team, but I would never ask him to lie for us, and I would never impugn his honour to suggest that he would ever lie for us, just because you work for us, doesn't mean you stop defending the constitution.