The, "All Things English" thread

[Montegriffo]

Englishmen were the original Europeans

Is there any evidence that there were people in Isles before the Celts? Or were they the oldest peoples to populate that area?

Celtic is a language group/culture, not a race.

The first inhabitants of Britain were the stone-age hunter-gatherers who migrated across the land bridge after the last ice age. Cheddar man from 10,000 years ago belonged to this group.
They had blue, green or hazel eyes, dark hair and dark brown or black skin.

Next came the Mediterranean farmers around 6000 years ago.
Their ancestors had originally come from Anatolia and brought with them new technologies marking the start of the Neolithic (new stone age).
These are the people who built Stonehenge and other stone circles and burial mounds.
The importance of knowing when to plant crops in the new agricultural society is the best explanation for the way stone circles act as astrological calendars.
These people had brown eyes, med-dark brown skin and dark hair.

Next along were the Beaker people.
The second wave of agricultural people who arrived about 4400 years ago. Lighter haired and with lighter skin their ancestors were from the Eurasian Steppe and brought with them new technologies which marked the beginning of the early bronze age. Easily identified by their distinctive pottery found in burial sites.
The Beaker people replaced completely the earlier Neolithic peoples.

The Celtic culture didn't arrive until about 750 BC. It was not a mass migration of people like the earlier waves though. It was more the spreading of a (vaguely)common language and the new technologies of the iron age. The DNA evidence suggests that Celts from Ireland and Scotland are genetically closer to the Beaker people from Eurasia than the Celtic tribes from central Europe.

Celts were named by the Ancient Greeks who called them Keltoi (meaning barbarians).

[TheReal_ND]

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He didn't have black skin that was a lie made up based on a lack of the genome markers that specifically denotes pale skin. It is quite likely they had swarthy skin tones but we don't really know.

There was once a sport called Automobile Polo



A tally of the damages encountered by Hankinson's British and American auto polo teams in 1924 revealed 1564 broken wheels, 538 burst tires, 66 broken axles, 10 cracked engines and six cars completely destroyed during the course of the year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_polo

Anglos invented motorized chariot ball. Feels good man.

[TheReal_ND]

[Montegriffo]

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He didn't have black skin that was a lie made up based on a lack of the genome markers that specifically denotes pale skin. It is quite likely they had swarthy skin tones but we don't really know.

More of an educated guess than a lie. Very different in appearance from the Beaker people who replaced them.

[Montegriffo]

There was once a sport called Automobile Polo



A tally of the damages encountered by Hankinson's British and American auto polo teams in 1924 revealed 1564 broken wheels, 538 burst tires, 66 broken axles, 10 cracked engines and six cars completely destroyed during the course of the year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_polo

Anglos invented motorized chariot ball. Feels good man.

I've got a great black and white photo of my parents from about 1965 playing car polo in Singapore. Mum's driving the VW Variant fastback while Dad is hanging out of the window with a hockey stick.
I went out with a girl 30 years later whose parents had also been posted to Singapore and were members of the Singapore Automobile Club which Dad ran, her Mother was able to find a newspaper clipping of a race which she won in a little Cooper roadster and Dad was 3rd in his MG Midget.

[Speaker to Animals]

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He didn't have black skin that was a lie made up based on a lack of the genome markers that specifically denotes pale skin. It is quite likely they had swarthy skin tones but we don't really know.

More of an educated guess than a lie. Very different in appearance from the Beaker people who replaced them.

The last time there could possibly have been indigenous black people in Europe was before the Younger Dryass (about 13,000 years ago). That's your best-case scenario, but even that is questionable. It was more likely about 40,000 years ago when our ancestors first left Africa and entered Europe.

The beaker culture came from our ancestors who were already there. It's not even that long ago, Comparatively. Our beaker ancestors lived only a millennium before the Egyptians came about.

Mediterranean Europeans were totally white-skinned as well. Italians today might have darker skin, but only because their ancestors were raped by black people during the previous wave of Muslim jihad.

[Speaker to Animals]

This need to erase our history is genocidal. We are the greatest people in the history of mankind.

[Hastur]

Recomended listening.

In Our Time - The Picts
Melvyn Bragg and guests discuss The Picts and, to mark our twentieth season, that discussion takes place in front of a student audience at the University of Glasgow, many of them studying this topic. According to Bede writing c731AD, the Picts, with the English, Britons, Scots and Latins, formed one of the five nations of Britain, 'an island in the ocean formerly called Albion'. The Picts is now a label given to the people who lived in Scotland north of the Forth-Clyde line from about 300 AD to 900 AD, from the time of the Romans to the time of the Vikings. They left intricately carved stones, such as the one above with a bull motif, from Burghead, Moray, Scotland, but there are relatively few other traces. Who were they, and what happened to them? And what has been learned in the last twenty years, through archaeology?

With

Katherine Forsyth
Reader in the Department of Celtic and Gaelic at the University of Glasgow

Alex Woolf
Senior Lecturer in Dark Age Studies at the University of St Andrews

and

Gordon Noble
Reader in Archaeology at the University of Aberdeen

Producer: Simon Tillotson.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09cvx7b

[Montegriffo]

I guess this belongs here.

A toff on a horse with a lovely green velvet jacket just came into my field with a pack of about 30 beagles.
They are not on the scent of anything and it looks like a training exercise. The toff keeps muttering swear words under his breath and blowing his horn to call the hounds to him.
They seem to have moved on, only here for about 5 mins.

The crows are not fucking happy about it.

[Hastur]

A horse with a green velvet jacket? Did you take pictures?