The Armory - Guns, Knives, and Axes

[TheReal_ND]

Also, I'm a huge fan of machine/man integration and the f-35 realizes an important role in the evolution of such. Maybe the f22 does as well but it's for limited run while the f-35 is mass produced.

[Smitty-48]

I just think F-22 lacks the next generation technology, F-22 is early 90's tech, F-35 is the evolution beyond, and F-35 is a cost controlled jack of all trades, deliberately, because that covers about 90% of the mission sets, whereas F-22 is only needed for the top 10% of missions at the absolute pinnacle of aerodynamic performance, which no US adversary can match anyways, 90% of US adversary can't even handle F-35

Also, F-35 is strike optimized, with secondary air to air, while F-22 is air to air uber alles.

[Speaker to Animals]

And speaking to what Smitty was saying.. Yes, the F-35 was only ever meant to replace the low tier fighters like F-16 and F-18, but the fact that you see all these corrupt politicians and F-35 insiders absolutely losing their shit over the F-15X purchase tells you the truth about what this corrupt boondoggle racket was planning. They wanted to make this sub-par aircraft the replacement of even the F-22. They are getting upset that we are upgrading the F-15, and the F-35 was never meant to be a replacement of any F-15 squadrons.

[TheReal_ND]

Reduced ops costs. The F-35's logistical strength is relatively cheap operations.

The f15/16 both had more iterations than the Star Trek franchise. We are still making them. Idk what Congress is losing their shit about.

[Speaker to Animals]

I just think F-22 lacks the next generation technology, F-22 is early 90's tech, F-35 is the evolution beyond, and F-35 is a cost controlled jack of all trades, deliberately, because that covers about 90% of the mission sets, whereas F-22 is only needed for the top 10% of missions at the absolute pinnacle of aerodynamic performance, which no US adversary can match anyways, 90% of US adversary can't even handle F-35

Also, F-35 is strike optimized, with secondary air to air, while F-22 is air to air uber alles.

The next generation technology doesn't even work. The stories of that shit breaking are legion. Navy pilots even have to reset their helmets when they take off, and they have to duck when the thing launches so their helmets don't smash against the canopy. There are all sorts of problems.

That technology is also a massive vulnerability. It can be hacked, shut down, exploited.

[Speaker to Animals]

Reduced ops costs. The F-35's logistical strength is relatively cheap operations.

The f15/16 both had more iterations than the Star Trek franchise. We are still making them. Idk what Congress is losing their shit about.

Even there it fails. It turned out to be extremely expensive all around. The whole thing is a racket.

What really set the F-35 cult off about the F-15X was that Boeing offered a fixed cost. That means any cost overruns would be eaten by Boeing, not the tax payer. That was a direct shot across the bow of the F-35 racket.

I say this as a person with family ties to Martin Marietta and Lockheed going back generations. Boeing is a much more reliable company. Lockmart is not to be trusted in its current incarnation. There is nothing you can say about Comey (their former head lawyer) that you cannot say about Lockmart of today.

[TheReal_ND]

No plane is ever perfect when it comes out

[Smitty-48]

The F-35 is in a continuous spiral upgrade program, it's like a Tesla, software driven, so it's never finished, the early model EODAS is already being replaced with a better EODAS from Raytheon, F-35 is like iPhone, the updates never stop.

[Speaker to Animals]

The costs are open ended on the F-35. Politicians gave Lockmart a blank check to be paid for by the American taxpayer.

Boeing's deal provides F-15X at a fixed cost that never goes up. If costs go up for some reason, Boeing will eat those costs.

That's a fucking brutal attack on the corruption of the JSF program.

[brewster]

Redpill me on the f32. This thing looks like a shuttle. When are we going to have space capable aeros?

Couldn't do the job.

I seem to recall from a documentary on the contest it wasn't that cut and dried. But in the end the brass liked the more traditional looking craft.

I think this is it