What's going on in India?

[The Conservative]

The F-35 cannot even cross the pond without refuelling.

Refuellers are our biggest vulnerability.

It is obviously getting side tracked because they cannot silence the stink. It is not a replacement for an F-15. That was the F-22.

F-35 carries 18,500 pounds of fuel, same as an F-15 with three wing pods, everything you say is fake news.

Weight, and engine ability are two different things.

F-35 may be faster, but it’s not better at long distances. You are basically saying putting fire stickers on it strategically will make it go faster and farther.

[Smitty-48]

The F-35 cannot even cross the pond without refuelling.

Refuellers are our biggest vulnerability.

It is obviously getting side tracked because they cannot silence the stink. It is not a replacement for an F-15. That was the F-22.

F-35 carries 18,500 pounds of fuel, same as an F-15 with three wing pods, everything you say is fake news.

Weight, and engine ability are two different things.

F-35 may be faster, but it’s not better at long distances. You are basically saying putting fire stickers on it strategically will make it go faster and farther.

The F-15 is a considerably larger aircraft, yet the F-35 carries as much fuel internal, as the F-15 does with three wing tanks. I didn't say anything about it flying faster and farther than an F-15, but F-35 is not intended to replace F-15.

None the less, if air superiority has to be done, F-35 can do it, it will do it differently from how F-15 does it, but the enemy planes will be just as shot down in the end. And as the F-35 can employ stealth, it is far less likely to be shot down by the enemy, even while flying slower than an F-15.

[Smitty-48]

4th generation fighter is like a frontal assault; everybody charges with their missiles, everybody takes hits.

F-35 is like a sniper, the enemy is getting picked off from the shadows while they can't nail down where it is coming from.

That is how F-35 does air superiority as necessary, even tho it was not mandated by congress to perform this role originally.

[Smitty-48]

And, again, as we saw in Pakistan this week, 4th generation F-15 is no longer survivable; because of the latest types of missiles. F-15's will get shot down by MiG-21's just as much as those F-16's, because if you can see it, the missiles they have now, can kill it.

Only by being the sniper engaging from the shadows, can you avoid being shot down now.

[The Conservative]

And, again, as we saw in Pakistan this week, 4th generation F-15 is no longer survivable; because of the latest types of missiles. F-15's will get shot down by MiG-21's just as much as those F-16's, because if you can see it, the missiles they have now, can kill it.

Only by being the sniper engaging from the shadows, can you avoid being shot down now.

Sorry to say this but it matters on the pilot too... the airplane is only as good as the person behind the stick.

[Smitty-48]

And, again, as we saw in Pakistan this week, 4th generation F-15 is no longer survivable; because of the latest types of missiles. F-15's will get shot down by MiG-21's just as much as those F-16's, because if you can see it, the missiles they have now, can kill it.

Only by being the sniper engaging from the shadows, can you avoid being shot down now.

Sorry to say this but it matters on the pilot too... the airplane is only as good as the person behind the stick.

Actually not the case with F-35, the F-35 actually makes it so easy, the pilot doesn't have to be Chuck Yeager anymore.

Most of the work is done for him by the sensor fusion engine, the pilot really just has to select which targets are to be engaged in what sequence, and the jet will take care of the rest.

[Zlaxer]

And, again, as we saw in Pakistan this week, 4th generation F-15 is no longer survivable; because of the latest types of missiles. F-15's will get shot down by MiG-21's just as much as those F-16's, because if you can see it, the missiles they have now, can kill it.

Only by being the sniper engaging from the shadows, can you avoid being shot down now.

Sorry to say this but it matters on the pilot too... the airplane is only as good as the person behind the stick.

Pilot matters...but Smitty is right - modern Missile tech renders nearly all fighters absolute...even 5ht gen after they loose element of surprise....When ER weapons mature...maybe aircraft will be the superior force...

[The Conservative]

And, again, as we saw in Pakistan this week, 4th generation F-15 is no longer survivable; because of the latest types of missiles. F-15's will get shot down by MiG-21's just as much as those F-16's, because if you can see it, the missiles they have now, can kill it.

Only by being the sniper engaging from the shadows, can you avoid being shot down now.

Sorry to say this but it matters on the pilot too... the airplane is only as good as the person behind the stick.

Actually not the case with F-35, the F-35 actually makes it so easy, the pilot doesn't have to be Chuck Yeager anymore.

Most of the work is done for him by the sensor fusion engine, the pilot really just has to select which targets are to be engaged in what sequence, and the jet will take care of the rest.

Sounds like to me you are ignoring the human element... but.

[Zlaxer]

Sorry to say this but it matters on the pilot too... the airplane is only as good as the person behind the stick.

Actually not the case with F-35, the F-35 actually makes it so easy, the pilot doesn't have to be Chuck Yeager anymore.

Most of the work is done for him by the sensor fusion engine, the pilot really just has to select which targets are to be engaged in what sequence, and the jet will take care of the rest.

Sounds like to me you are ignoring the human element...

I am.

[Smitty-48]

Sorry to say this but it matters on the pilot too... the airplane is only as good as the person behind the stick.

Actually not the case with F-35, the F-35 actually makes it so easy, the pilot doesn't have to be Chuck Yeager anymore.

Most of the work is done for him by the sensor fusion engine, the pilot really just has to select which targets are to be engaged in what sequence, and the jet will take care of the rest.

Sounds like to me you are ignoring the human element... but.

Well, again, you in your F-35 have exponential awareness as to what is going on around you, processed to make it simple enough for you to make quick decisions. iPhone

The other guy doesn't have much of a picture as to what is going on, he's having to figure it out in his head. His archaic computer is running Pong.

You can see him, but he can't see you.

Ergo, once you've decided to kill him, it's basically point and click and fly away before he can figure out where that came from.

F-35 is an Information Age weapon for the Information Age, where Information is life and speed is no longer of much utility, since you can't outrun the latest generation of missiles.