What is Mankind's Greatest Invention?

[Speaker to Animals]

Cut down on the meat and there will be plenty of food to go around.

Not all meat is created equal. Beef is by far the worst at feed conversion. My family eats very little, perhaps 2 or 3 meals a month, mostly ground meat.



StA, as I said, fruit and vegetables are a small fraction of US farming. Focusing on them begs the question.

I am more interested in begging the question of why obsessed my comment about reducing the size of large farms to many small farms and ignored the context: sustainable agriculture, which does not preclude large wheat farms. I was talking about vegetables and fruits.

I think you are arguing against a straw man.

But in reply to Monty's silly comment: no. Outside of a few grass crops like wheat and corn, we waste a huge amount of land to produce vegetables and fruits.

[Fife]

Speaking of wheat, I remember now which city it was that ruined American agriculture (and the rest of the country) through the miracle of central planning forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

[heydaralon]

Speaking of wheat, I remember now which city it was that ruined American agriculture (and the rest of the country) through the miracle of central planning forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Why do you think FDR was the best president? Surely you don't like him more than your hero Wilson right?

[C-Mag]

Meat is what really uses the most land though.
Cut down on the meat and there will be plenty of food to go around.

I reserve the right to maintain by predatory, carnivorous cultural traditions.
I'm not giving up meat and beef to ensure food security for those countries that can't feed themselves.

[C-Mag]

Speaking of wheat, I remember now which city it was that ruined American agriculture (and the rest of the country) through the miracle of central planning forever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Keep following that rabbit down the hole and you will find the most successful international agreement in human history dates back to the early 30's and beyound. Back to our old friend Woody Wilson who set price controls on wheat................. can't have a bunch of small farmers gettin rich ya know.

Wheat price controls have been the one thing the world can agree on, through the depression, through WWII, through the Cold War, through the age of Terrorism.

[brewster]

I am more interested in begging the question of why obsessed my comment about reducing the size of large farms to many small farms and ignored the context: sustainable agriculture, which does not preclude large wheat farms. I was talking about vegetables and fruits.

I think you are arguing against a straw man.

But in reply to Monty's silly comment: no. Outside of a few grass crops like wheat and corn, we waste a huge amount of land to produce vegetables and fruits.

You keep saying that, yet we're talking about less than 1/10 of all cultivated acreage for fruits and vegetables. It's not big in the big picture. And we have plenty of land. There huge amounts of land in the Northeast gone fallow because they can't compete with western deserts with >300 days of sun irrigated with cheap or free government water.

[C-Mag]

So the whole argument of who's going to pick fruit and veggies is bullshit. We don't need illegal labor.

[Montegriffo]

Meat is what really uses the most land though.
Cut down on the meat and there will be plenty of food to go around.

I reserve the right to maintain by predatory, carnivorous cultural traditions.
I'm not giving up meat and beef to ensure food security for those countries that can't feed themselves.

Well, if you were a better shot you would have a freezer full of wild venison.
Last day on the job today and I gave them game pie with venison, pheasant and hare.
All the deer caught by a lurcher. I'm not asking you to stop eating meat btw.
Less intensive meat farming would be a good start though.
Get rid of all the sheds with thousands of cattle in them and go back to pasture land.
The increase in price will stop people eating so much.

[C-Mag]

Meat is what really uses the most land though.
Cut down on the meat and there will be plenty of food to go around.

I reserve the right to maintain by predatory, carnivorous cultural traditions.
I'm not giving up meat and beef to ensure food security for those countries that can't feed themselves.

Well, if you were a better shot you would have a freezer full of wild venison.
Last day on the job today and I gave them game pie with venison, pheasant and hare.
All the deer caught by a lurcher.

I did miss this year. But I rest easy knowing I killed more game by 25 than you will in your entire life.

Deer caught by a lurcher...……………. WTF is that.

[Speaker to Animals]

So the whole argument of who's going to pick fruit and veggies is bullshit. We don't need illegal labor.

Yes. We have so many of these seasonal jobs because of the way we produce food.

I think the current trend will continue. Americans will pick their own vegetables because they will own their farms.