The Green Leap Forward

[Smitty-48]

We are all children of Gaia...

Fuck that commie shit, subhuman cockroach.

It might be time for you to write the great Canadian novel inside the confines of a Globalhomo Gulag.

Already the case. Canadian Nanny Socialist Prohibitionist Temperance Lady Gulag.

[Montegriffo]

Funny how weather is climate when it's hot but not when it's cold.

You mean funny how when winter is cold it means climate change is a hoax but when winter is hot it's just weather.

Also funny, lack of self awareness for the lulz.

Right-wing idiot: It's cold today, where's global warming at?
Left-wing idiot: Short Term Weather Events aren't Long Term Climate Trends.

Left-wing idiot: It's hot today, there's your global warming!
Right-wing idiot: Short Term Weather Events aren't Long Term Climate Trends.

These kinds of people only see the idiocy when the other side engages in it.

I think you kinda missed the point.
Our record breaking weather is due to some freaky jet stream activity dragging warm Caribbean air up to the UK. At no point did I actually say it was because of climate change. I was just countering yet another dumb re-telling of the right's global warming "joke". Trump must have tweeted the same "joke" half a dozen times now.
Shit is getting old.

[Speaker to Animals]

Climate is a question of averages, right?

[Ph64]

Climate is a question of averages, right?

In a sense, yes. As the overall average increases though, it doesn't mean hotter summers (although that seems to be happening in Australia) and warmer winters too... Weather patterns will change, if the east coast thermohaline (warm water North up the coast) stops it could drastically change weather patterns. The "arctic wave" coming down farther/worse from Canada could be climate change from "global warming" - paradoxically warming doesn't mean warmer, just that patterns may change. WA is getting a good cold spell (relatively for them) right now, out of the ordinary for them. Increased hurricanes could be a symptom.

The argument is really over how much human civ is responsible. There's a lot we don't know still about weather (and we all know how bad forecasting can be sometimes). How does solar activity factor in? The earths climate has changed a lot throughout the ages even before humans... Even outside of major events (asteroid impact), Krackatoa (sp?) erupting caused cooler temps globally after, etc.

In general I'm for renewable energy, but certain things fit different areas - solar is great in AZ, NM, NV, So.Cal., but probably not so effective in WA, New England, etc - wind fits other areas better, tidal might work for coastal areas. And obviously storage is the big problem. I'm all for research into better efficiency, thorium reactors, etc, but I'm not really for huge government programs outside of research grants (no more Solyndras thanks). Make it cost effective and commercial VC will step up to invest in companies to drive it.

"A decade" though is a joke. It takes 20-30 years to change an energy infrastructure at best.

[brewster]

Climate is a question of averages, right?

Forget arguing about models. The recorded data indicates we're already fucked, probably beyond repair. I've been wondering if the GoT is a parable for this, people and nations bicker about political horseshit and who's got how much while our civilization and much of our planet dies. Earth will live, it's lost 90% of lifeforms before.

The five warmest years in our recorded history have been 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 (not in that order). The ten hottest years have occurred since 1998.
https://rapidclimatechange.org/fun-with ... tatistics/

[Ph64]

Earth will live, it's lost 90% of lifeforms before.

[brewster]

Make it cost effective and commercial VC will step up to invest in companies to drive it.

Or make carbon expensive, reflecting it's externalized costs to our civilization. There's already tech that could compete with $150/barrel oil.

Yes, like AOC, the 10 year timeline is utterly stupid. It doesn't mean many the goals are.

[TheReal_ND]

I too place my monitors on landing strips to confirmation bias my paper that I got a grant for from organizations that want to create a carbon tax and syphon money into Africa to combat poverty.

[Speaker to Animals]

Climate is a question of averages, right?

Forget arguing about models. The recorded data ...[/img]

I ask again:

The difference between climate and weather is a matter of averages, no?

[Ph64]

I too place my monitors on landing strips to confirmation bias my paper that I got a grant for from organizations that want to create a carbon tax and syphon money into Africa to combat poverty.

Let's be honest at least - ok, people consume carbon, for food production, heating, energy, transportation, etc.

It takes carbon (fossil fuels) to dig up the materials to make the solar panels, wind turbines, tidal energy plants, nuclear reactors, and pretty much everything we as humans do in large numbers.

You want to reduce carbon emissions? Reduce the population. More people = more carbon.

Hmm... Socialism *has* been good at population reduction...