Sanctuary Cities

[Zlaxer]

@Kath -

Also, most laws granting federal funds to state the consequences...moreover, I've heard rumors of some GOP hack legislator from TX got some kind of law passed that pretty much put all states on notice about the sanctuary city and federal funding issue.....just a rumor at this point though....

[K@th]

I'm not really seeing your point, Zlaxer...

Asking the local police to do the fed's job seems very much like a state's rights issue. Why should a local PD spend its' money helping the feds? Why don't the feds just go get the guy..

Seriously - if we can afford a 20 billion dollar wall, we can probably hire a few guys to be in the sanctuary cities. Unless you want to claim the sanctuary cities are refusing to allow federal employees to do their job..

[Zlaxer]

I'm not really seeing your point, Zlaxer...

Asking the local police to do the fed's job seems very much like a state's rights issue. Why should a local PD spend its' money helping the feds? Why don't the feds just go get the guy..

Seriously - if we can afford a 20 billion dollar wall, we can probably hire a few guys to be in the sanctuary cities. Unless you want to claim the sanctuary cities are refusing to allow federal employees to do their job..

Last time I checked.....state and local police had to enforce the law....which includes federal law.....there's case law that speaks to this.....

Searching Lexis now...

Seems you're partially right.....I would call what the sanctuary cities are doing obstruction.....Also, preemption may be at play here....Fife?

[Okeefenokee]

I'm not really seeing your point, Zlaxer...

Asking the local police to do the fed's job seems very much like a state's rights issue. Why should a local PD spend its' money helping the feds? Why don't the feds just go get the guy..

Seriously - if we can afford a 20 billion dollar wall, we can probably hire a few guys to be in the sanctuary cities. Unless you want to claim the sanctuary cities are refusing to allow federal employees to do their job..

Are you really this uninformed, or are you pretending? Sanctuary cities have policies that prevent law enforcement from picking up the phone and calling ICE. That's what the families of children murdered by illegals are filing lawsuits over. The murderers were arrested for crimes, and then released, rather than being handed off to ICE.

This lie that you are propagating, that cities are refusing to go door to door looking for illegals, is complete bullshit. It's their policy that when they arrest someone for a crime who isn't here legally, that they release them, rather than informing ICE so they can be deported. They then go on to commit more crimes, including murder.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'm not really seeing your point, Zlaxer...

Asking the local police to do the fed's job seems very much like a state's rights issue. Why should a local PD spend its' money helping the feds? Why don't the feds just go get the guy..

Seriously - if we can afford a 20 billion dollar wall, we can probably hire a few guys to be in the sanctuary cities. Unless you want to claim the sanctuary cities are refusing to allow federal employees to do their job..

Are you really this uninformed, or are you pretending? Sanctuary cities have policies that prevent law enforcement from picking up the phone and calling ICE. That's what the families of children murdered by illegals are filing lawsuits over. The murderers were arrested for crimes, and then released, rather than being handed off to ICE.

This lie that you are propagating, that cities are refusing to go door to door looking for illegals, is complete bullshit. It's their policy that when they arrest someone for a crime who isn't here legally, that they release them, rather than informing ICE so they can be deported. They then go on to commit more crimes, including murder.

You're conflating two things and you know it.

People are not being released if they're suspects in a violent crime, just because they're illegal. That's ridiculous.

[Zlaxer]

You're conflating two things and you know it.

People are not being released if they're suspects in a violent crime, just because they're illegal. That's ridiculous.

Me thinks you need to brush up on your google-foo Whatever helps justify your world view....I guess...

[Okeefenokee]

You're conflating two things and you know it.

People are not being released if they're suspects in a violent crime, just because they're illegal. That's ridiculous.

Read the words.

Sanchez was in federal prison for re-entering the country after his fifth deportation. But on March 26, as the date neared for him to be released into ICE custody, prison officials in Victorville shipped him north to the San Francisco Sheriff's Department on an outstanding drug-related warrant despite an immigration detainer. The San Francisco district attorney's office declined to prosecute what authorities said was a decade-old marijuana possession case, and Sanchez was released April 15.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

[Penner]

You're conflating two things and you know it.

People are not being released if they're suspects in a violent crime, just because they're illegal. That's ridiculous.

Read the words.

Sanchez was in federal prison for re-entering the country after his fifth deportation. But on March 26, as the date neared for him to be released into ICE custody, prison officials in Victorville shipped him north to the San Francisco Sheriff's Department on an outstanding drug-related warrant despite an immigration detainer. The San Francisco district attorney's office declined to prosecute what authorities said was a decade-old marijuana possession case, and Sanchez was released April 15.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Wait, your article states that this man was deported several time but somehow he managed to always come back to the US? How was he able to do that?

with a criminal record who had been deported several times

So, really, it wasn't like the authorities didn't ship his ass back to Mexico, it was that he kept on coming back to the US. Sure, which is a problem but a wall (and we already tried this remedy folks and it failed) will fail and the ones we just keep on deporting will just come back.

President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in 2006. To build the wall the federal government filed dozens of eminent domain lawsuits against private landowners to gain access for the wall's construction.

The result was a border fence that roughly followed the general path of the Rio Grande but created a no-man's land between the fence and the river. It also left gaping holes in the wall so that the landowners could access their land south of the wall.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/ ... ies-texas/

[Okeefenokee]

You're conflating two things and you know it.

People are not being released if they're suspects in a violent crime, just because they're illegal. That's ridiculous.

Read the words.

Sanchez was in federal prison for re-entering the country after his fifth deportation. But on March 26, as the date neared for him to be released into ICE custody, prison officials in Victorville shipped him north to the San Francisco Sheriff's Department on an outstanding drug-related warrant despite an immigration detainer. The San Francisco district attorney's office declined to prosecute what authorities said was a decade-old marijuana possession case, and Sanchez was released April 15.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Wait, your article states that this man was deported several time but somehow he managed to always come back to the US? How was he able to do that?

with a criminal record who had been deported several times

So, really, it wasn't like the authorities didn't ship his ass back to Mexico, it was that he kept on coming back to the US. Sure, which is a problem but a wall (and we already tried this remedy folks and it failed) will fail and the ones we just keep on deporting will just come back.

President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in 2006. To build the wall the federal government filed dozens of eminent domain lawsuits against private landowners to gain access for the wall's construction.

The result was a border fence that roughly followed the general path of the Rio Grande but created a no-man's land between the fence and the river. It also left gaping holes in the wall so that the landowners could access their land south of the wall.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/ ... ies-texas/

You're missing the point. He was arrested, facing deportation, but because San Fran is a sanctuary city, he was released.

prison officials in Victorville shipped him north to the San Francisco Sheriff's Department on an outstanding drug-related warrant despite an immigration detainer.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Uhhhh yeah. He had a 10+ year-old drug warrant in SF, so they shipped him there. The SF DA declined to prosecute such an old, drug-related issue, so he was freed. So fucking what? That's not a violent crime, and it seems that the DA used some pretty reasonable discretion.