This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

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This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:26 pm

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There can be no debate with Holocaust deniers." That is a core principle of moderating the AskHistorians subreddit, one of the largest history forums on the internet

Conversation is impossible if one side refuses to acknowledge the basic premise that facts are facts. This is why engaging deniers in such an effort means having already lost. And it is why AskHistorians, where I am one of the volunteer moderators, takes a strict stance on Holocaust denial.

"We ban it immediately"

Deniers need a public forum to spread their lies and to sow doubt among readers not well-informed about history. By convincing people that they might have a point or two, they open the door for further radicalization in pursuit of their ultimate goal: to rehabilitate Nazism as an ideology in public discourse by distancing it from the key elements that make it so rightfully reviled—the genocide against Jews, Roma, Sinti, and others.

We remove content that is racist, sexist, or anti-Semitic in nature and ban the offending users from commenting in our forum on a daily basis.

Taken together or separately, these beliefs serve one goal: to make the ideas of the Nazis socially acceptable. The Holocaust is the obvious proof that the ideology of National Socialism is, at its core, racist, anti-Semitic, and genocidal.

Actual historians engage in interpretation of historical events and phenomena based on the facts found in sources. When new information, or a new interpretation, emerges and is considered in light of existing knowledge, that is revising earlier thought. “Revisionist” Holocaust deniers do not revise; they twist the truth and peddle lies to advance their political agenda.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/th ... d-too.html

This place would be far less toxic if this was done here as well.

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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:43 am

We should make a list...
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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:45 am

I really don't get the point. Holocaust deniers are their own worst enemies. If this history forum can't counter and refute that, then what kind of history forum are they?

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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Fife » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:52 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:45 am
I really don't get the point. Holocaust deniers are their own worst enemies. If this history forum can't counter and refute that, then what kind of history forum are they?
:think:

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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:23 am

Debate isn't to convince your opponent of anything; it's to convince lurkers.
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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by DrYouth » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:24 am

"denying" and "questioning" and "clarifying" are all too easily lumped into one big ol' lump of "heresy"...

It is also true that those "burned heretics" then get all excited about burning down the heretic burners...

So... yes we live in interesting times.
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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:35 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:23 am
Debate isn't to convince your opponent of anything; it's to convince lurkers.
By censoring people you don't do that at all.

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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Fife » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:36 am

This forum should ban climate Science denialists.

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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:38 am

What we need is a crowdfunding campaign to send you to Africa.

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Re: This forum should ban Holocaust deniers

Post by Fife » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:41 am

Send all the money to the Fife Foundation, c/o General Delivery, KY Lake station (or c/o James Yeager's gun shop and training facility and I'll collect it from him).

I'll send Martin some candid travel photos to post. As far as you'll be able to tell, I'll be in a dark jungle over there.