Brexit

[Montegriffo]

A vote based on a lie is not democracy it's a fraud committed on behalf of a few self serving politicians to hoodwink the population.

If everyone is so sure they know what the electorate think then why are you all so scared of giving them a second vote now they are better informed.

[DBTrek]

A vote based on a lie is not democracy it's a fraud committed on behalf of a few self serving politicians to hoodwink the population.

And you feel comfortable deciding that the voting majority of Britain were obviously just fools believing lies, and therefore it's ok to reverse the will of the people after subjecting them to two solid years of fear-mongering?

Do I have that right?

[Montegriffo]

Brexit is a thing because the race baiting UKIP party were taking too much of the vote from the Tories so David Cameron gambled the country's future on a vote to leave in an attempt to shut the referendum wanters up for another generation.
The disadvantages of leaving are now as clear as the lies on a bus.

Ah, well that clearly justifies delaying the will of the people until it can be reversed, eh?

You feel that way?

I feel that the electorate were conned.
Lies on a bus and a load of race baitering combined with talk of a unicorn filled utopian future outside of the EU.
Sovereignty was a red herring, parliamentary supremacy has always been assured and our veto guaranteed it.

[Montegriffo]

A vote based on a lie is not democracy it's a fraud committed on behalf of a few self serving politicians to hoodwink the population.

And you feel comfortable deciding that the voting majority of Britain were obviously just fools believing lies, and therefore it's ok to reverse the will of the people after subjecting them to two solid years of fear-mongering?

Do I have that right?

No you don't. You are conflating being properly informed with fear mongering.
Lies and misinformation is fear mongering.

[Ph64]

A vote based on a lie is not democracy it's a fraud committed on behalf of a few self serving politicians to hoodwink the population.

And you feel comfortable deciding that the voting majority of Britain were obviously just fools believing lies, and therefore it's ok to reverse the will of the people after subjecting them to two solid years of fear-mongering?

Do I have that right?

No you don't. You are conflating being properly informed with fear mongering.
Lies and misinformation is fear mongering.

Ah, I see. So UKIP, which you think is responsible, a party that at its peak had only 12.5% of the vote, is responsible for swaying the vote of 52% of the population with "lies and fear mongering"... But then after two solid years of (mis-?) informing and fear mongering by "your side" a new vote is needed.

Of course "your side" (the losing side one might add) is only making sure people are "properly informed"... Certainly they have no agenda other than the "truth"?

Oh, and I have a bridge in NYC I hear is for sale. Trust me, it's a great investment. I'm only telling you so you are "properly informed" about what's best, since obviously as part of the demos you are too stupid to make up your own mind about such things. In fact I should just decide for you because I know what's best for you. You are incapable of thinking for yourself, no insult intended. In the immortal words of the great thinker Ana Kasparian, "I'm better than you".

[DBTrek]

No you don't. You are conflating being properly informed with fear mongering.
Lies and misinformation is fear mongering.

Who determines what is information vs fear mongering?

Or maybe this would be more to the point: What mechanism prevents a government from sending votes back to the public until they get the desired result and then claiming "NOW the voters are properly informed and made the right decision". And how is a system without such a mechanism different from totalitarianism?

[Hastur]

Relieved that financial suicide is now less likely.

What if Britain was smart enough to handle greater autonomy and also prosper?
You know, like they did for a thousand years or so until your generation?

Wouldn't that have been cool?
Worth the risk?
Worth respecting the vote which represented the un-henpecked will of Britons who hadn't endured two years of Globalist pressure and fear mongering before facing a re-vote?

Or is none of that possible in your mind?

My thoughts exactly.

[Hastur]

No you don't. You are conflating being properly informed with fear mongering.
Lies and misinformation is fear mongering.

Who determines what is information vs fear mongering?

Or maybe this would be more to the point: What mechanism prevents a government from sending votes back to the public until they get the desired result and then claiming "NOW the voters are properly informed and made the right decision". And how is a system without such a mechanism different from totalitarianism?

It has probably never entered Monte's mind that it might be him that is the victim of fear mongering.

[Montegriffo]

And you feel comfortable deciding that the voting majority of Britain were obviously just fools believing lies, and therefore it's ok to reverse the will of the people after subjecting them to two solid years of fear-mongering?

Do I have that right?

No you don't. You are conflating being properly informed with fear mongering.
Lies and misinformation is fear mongering.

Ah, I see. So UKIP, which you think is responsible, a party that at its peak had only 12.5% of the vote, is responsible for swaying the vote of 52% of the population with "lies and fear mongering"... But then after two solid years of (mis-?) informing and fear mongering by "your side" a new vote is needed.

Of course "your side" (the losing side one might add) is only making sure people are "properly informed"... Certainly they have no agenda other than the "truth"?

Oh, and I have a bridge in NYC I hear is for sale. Trust me, it's a great investment. I'm only telling you so you are "properly informed" about what's best, since obviously as part of the demos you are too stupid to make up your own mind about such things. In fact I should just decide for you because I know what's best for you. You are incapable of thinking for yourself, no insult intended. In the immortal words of the great thinker Ana Kasparian, "I'm better than you".

Enough of this straw man shit. I have said nothing about the intelligence of voters.

Voting without all the information is not being stupid.
Uninformed does not mean dumb.
Misinformed does not mean idiotic.
Uneducated doesn't either.

[Ph64]

I feel that the electorate were conned.

...and so there needs to be another vote because of your "feelings"?

There we go folks... "democracy" Monty style, if he doesn't "feel" you made the "right" choice, according to his "feelings", then you need to keep voting until you agree with his feelz.

It has probably never entered Monte's mind that it might be him that is the victim of fear mongering.

I'm sure it hasn't. I'm sure he "feels" otherwise.