If Mexico is going to pay for the wall, why does Trump need money from Congress?

[DBTrek]

Eh.

On one hand, I'm firmly against giving an unaccountable government one single cent more.
These motherfuckers had RECORD income tax revenue last year and still managed to rack up RECORD debt.
You all get that? That means even when we give them more money than ever before, they still manage to outstrip the gains with unfunded spending.

On the other hand, when we're already $21 trillion in debt I don't want to hear any bullshit about how we can't afford $5 billion for a wall.
These fuckers piss away $5billion in an hour. They just won't piss it away on anything that benefits the rest of us.
Fuck that.

[PartyOf5]

In possible solutions you think a huge project of building an actual (now steel) wall will be the best solution of stopping people from crossing our border? That we shouldn't instead be investing in stuff like drones, sensors, technology more border control agents to detain and deport illegal immigrants, or rethink the people who overstay their visas?

This will be a giant boondoggle, give the government 5-10 billion dollars to build any construction whatsoever and it's going to go over-time over budget and we're probably not going to what we paid for in the first place.

You don't trust the government to build a wall, but you trust them with drone,sensor, and other technological solutions. There's your proof of crazy.

FYI, none of us are saying the wall is the final, total solution. It's part of the solution.

[jediuser598]

Yes - I worked for the government.

5-10 billion won't get much, but its a start...and concrete would be far better. But steel is better than nothing...just like SSAN - the start of a wall is the camel nose under the tent.

And that's why I say no to your wall.

Where has Trump said how much of the wall we get for 5-10 billion?

All I'm hearing is "give me a wall, give me a wall, give me a wall" but as a fiscally conservative person, I want to know how much the whole project is going to cost, how effective it is going to be, how about we do an experiment of how effective a wall is vs how effective other solutions are?

But that's not what any of you I've seen arguing for this are proposing, it's simply "lets spend spend spend"

What do you think is going to happen to this country if we don't get our spending under control?

It will cost less than what illegal immigrants cost us - bet on that.

How much wall do we get for 5-10 billion dollars? How many miles?

[jediuser598]

Eh.

On one hand, I'm firmly against giving an unaccountable government one single cent more.
These motherfuckers had RECORD income tax revenue last year and still managed to rack up RECORD debt.
You all get that? That means even when we give them more money than ever before, they still manage to outstrip the gains with unfunded spending.

On the other hand, when we're already $21 trillion in debt I don't want to hear any bullshit about how we can't afford $5 billion for a wall.
These fuckers piss away $5billion in an hour. They just won't piss it away on anything that benefits the rest of us.
Fuck that.

Nickle and dimed
5 billion at a time.

[DBTrek]

Someone teach jedi to Google.

The Department of Homeland Security estimates that if it got the whole $5 billion Trump has made his red line for wall funding, it would be able to build 215 miles' worth of barriers along the US-Mexico border

[jediuser598]

Someone teach jedi to Google.

The Department of Homeland Security estimates that if it got the whole $5 billion Trump has made his red line for wall funding, it would be able to build 215 miles' worth of barriers along the US-Mexico border

So you're not asking for 5 billion, you're asking for 44.95 billion as best possible outcome.

1,933/215=8.99

8.99x5=44.95 Billion.

If we account for government inflation (how much is it really going to cost due to government ineffeciency?)

How much would it really cost?

And is that 215 for concrete or steel? I would imagine steel would cost more.

And after you figure that out, let us talk about maintenance on this wall.

[DBTrek]

Yep, the wall will cost more. Some of the border already has barriers, so I'm not entirely sure how much is still open. Either way, the $5billion wouldn't be the last ask.

[Speaker to Animals]

The wall isn't going to cost more than doing nothing and just bankrupting the social welfare system, destroying the tax base, wiping out the working class, and watching more of our nation fall into ruin.

If Jedi thinks we cannot afford this wall, then I really puzzle at how he thinks we can afford to pay for tens of millions of uneducated dindus to live here on welfare.

[Fife]

The power of Trump truly is amazing.

He's making the most mindless funny-money Keynesians frog-step austerity like Scrooge McDuck.

They simply cannot resist his power.

[Ph64]

Democrats say that walls don't work. (Demonstratably false given numerous examples around the world)

Democrats also say that building a wall would be "immoral".

How could it be immoral if it didn't work to actually keep people out?

They know it would work, that's why they're against it.