James Damore ... Loses.

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Post by Ex-California » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:42 am

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Re: James Damore ... Loses.

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:32 pm

posted on reddit, cool because james damore responds in the comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/JamesDamore/co ... es_damore/
I helped Google screw over James Damore
submitted 1 day ago * by TiredOfLying4Google

I was involved in the internal decisions involving James Damore's memo, and it's terrible what we did to him.

First of all, we knew about the memo a month before it went viral. HR sent it up the reporting chain when he gave it as internal feedback, but we did nothing. There wasn't anything we could do, except admit to wrongdoing and lying to our employees. We just hoped that no one else would see his document.

Unfortunately, the memo started spreading within the company. The floodgates opened and previously silent employees started talking. To quell dissent, we: told executives to write to their employees condemning the memo; manipulated our internal Memegen to bias the ratings towards anti-Damore posts (the head of Memegen is an "ally" to the diversity cause); and gave every manager talking points on what to tell their reports about the memo. In all our communications, we concentrated on how hurt employees purportedly were and diverted attention from Google's discriminatory employment practices and political hegemony, never mind the science.

We needed to make an example of Damore. Looking for some excuse to fire him, we spied on his phone and computer. We didn't find anything, although our spying probably made his devices unusably slow, preventing him from organizing support within the company. When we did fire him, our reputation and integrity took a hit, but at least other employees were now afraid to speak up.

Firing him without an NDA was a huge risk though. He was a top performer and knew too many compromising secrets, like Dragonfly, the secret censored search project in China. He had also reported several legally dubious practices in Search that still exist. Only God knows why he never leaked Dragonfly or the other issues, but I think it's because he actually cared about Google.

Our response after we fired him was equally disgraceful. We were supposed to have a Town Hall TGIF to answer employees' questions about the controversy. However, after questions started coming in that we couldn't reasonably answer, we had to cancel it. We shifted the blame onto "alt-right trolls" and have avoided talking about it openly since then.

To control the narrative, we planted stories with journalists and flexed Google's muscles where necessary. In exchange for insider access and preferential treatment, all we ask for is their loyalty. For online media, Google's ads pay their paycheck and our search brings their customers, so our influence shouldn't be underestimated.

We dealt with his NLRB case in a similar way. People are ultimately lazy, so we found a sympathetic lawyer in the NLRB and wrote the internal NLRB memo for her. No one wanted to spend the effort to oppose it, despite it being laughably weak. Then, after Damore dropped his NLRB case and filed a class action lawsuit, we had the NLRB publicly release their memo. Our PR firms sent press releases saying "the NLRB ruled the firing legal", which was, of course, manufactured bullshit.

All of our scheming was over the phone, in deleted emails, or through an external PR firm, so we can deny all of it. Now that we've forced him into arbitration, we're close to screwing him over completely.
James Damore 342 points 1 day ago* wrote:
Whoah, this would explain a lot.

I can't verify its authenticity, but the OP is correct that I was one of about 100 employees that knew about Dragonfly. I also did report several legal issues in Search that they probably haven't fixed. My phone and computer were also extremely slow after the document went viral. Other parts of the post include knowledge that only a Googler would know.

u/TiredOfLying4Google please contact my lawyer, Harmeet Dhillon.

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Post by DBTrek » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:24 am

Interesting. There is not enough new material here to convince me that it is legitimate, but I hope it is.
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Post by nmoore63 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:54 am

Feelings matter more than facts.

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Re: James Damore ... Loses.

Post by GloryofGreece » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:33 pm

I could see that being something he made up to make him look better and gain more traction. That's the cynic in me though. I also could see it as a legit anonymous leaker of sorts I guess. Google. What can you do though? Good luck to him though. Its getting to be a lot like a mash up of Black Mirror, Gattaca, and Brave New World nowadays. Maybe we are looking at the last days of personal thought freedom in the United States.
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Re: James Damore ... Loses.

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:21 am

He does not strike me as the type that makes shit up to get traction. He displays zero tact and social strategy skills. He just states facts like an autist and then people go after him for stating hate facts.

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Post by GloryofGreece » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:21 am
He does not strike me as the type that makes shit up to get traction. He displays zero tact and social strategy skills. He just states facts like an autist and then people go after him for stating hate facts.
Do you think people like Zuckenberg and other high level techies have a mutation of some sort and thats mostly what makes them good at coding or is it just as often the case they meaning programmers and computer scientist are just usually high in iq, low in extraversion , low in socialbility , low in empathy , and maybe high in diligence and that's that?
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Re: James Damore ... Loses.

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:16 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:21 am
He does not strike me as the type that makes shit up to get traction. He displays zero tact and social strategy skills. He just states facts like an autist and then people go after him for stating hate facts.
Do you think people like Zuckenberg and other high level techies have a mutation of some sort and thats mostly what makes them good at coding or is it just as often the case they meaning programmers and computer scientist are just usually high in iq, low in extraversion , low in socialbility , low in empathy , and maybe high in diligence and that's that?
It’s just adaptation. We’ve never had an environment (as humans) that allowed for extreme bookishness on this scale. You’re seeing the effects of a lifetime of indoor home and school study, on subjects that most wouldn’t find interesting, and a life history of social exclusion because of it.

I’d imagine DaVinci and other great thinkers to be of the same cloth. Awkward and shy, but brilliant.

Zuckerberg isn’t inherently a sociopath, but he strikes me as an outcast suddenly granted superpowers, and worshipped by the world. He’s got a lifetime of resentment built up, and a complete lack of understanding of the world before Facebook.
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Re: James Damore ... Loses.

Post by doc_loliday » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:52 am

An interesting thing to point out, Google now has more contractors than employees and the demographics of their contractors look nothing like that of their employees.

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Re: James Damore ... Loses.

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:56 am

Google hasn't seriously innovated a damned thing in nearly ten years.