Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by DrYouth » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:42 pm

Fife wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:29 am
Something to read:

Cultural Marxism Is Real
Samuel Moyn, a Yale law professor, recently asked, “What is ‘cultural Marxism?’” His answer: “Nothing of the kind actually exists.” Moyn attributes the term cultural Marxism to the “runaway alt-right imagination,” claiming that it implicates zany conspiracy theories and has been “percolating for years through global sewers of hatred.”

Alexander Zubatov, an attorney writing in Tablet, countered that the “somewhat unclear and contested” term cultural Marxism “has been in circulation for over forty years.” It has, moreover, “perfectly respectable uses outside the dark, dank silos of the far right.” He concluded that cultural Marxism is neither a “conspiracy” nor a “mere right-wing ‘phantasmagoria,’” but a “coherent intellectual program, a constellation of dangerous ideas.”

In this debate, I side with Zubatov. Here’s why.

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Cultural Marxism makes sense in the context of the creep towards ever increasing social egalitarianism...
And the assault on any form of hierarchy...
A line can be traced from the first era of Revolutions beginning with the first English Civil War, through the French Revolution and leading to the Russian Revolution with increasing social egalitarianism.... bringing politically unsophisticated classes into conflict with the established elites. And in the case of Communism we saw the darkest manifestation of this trend.

We are simply dealing with the latest manifestation of this same trend.
All revolutions require measured restraint in response or it they become unstable and toxic....
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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by C-Mag » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:48 pm

DrYouth wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:42 pm

Cultural Marxism makes sense in the context of the creep towards ever increasing social egalitarianism...
And the assault on any form of hierarchy...
A line can be traced from the first era of Revolutions beginning with the first English Civil War, through the French Revolution and leading to the Russian Revolution with increasing social egalitarianism.... bringing politically unsophisticated classes into conflict with the established elites. And in the case of Communism we saw the darkest manifestation of this trend.

We are simply dealing with the latest manifestation of this same trend.
All revolutions require measured restraint in response or it they become unstable and toxic....
But it's not anymore Egalitarian than any Marxism.

Look at what's happened in the US since we've had this Cultural Marxism. The poor and middle class get poorer, and wealth is concentrated amongst a few. Just like Communism................ or haven't we just done Communism right yet ? :think:
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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by DrYouth » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:17 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:48 pm
But it's not anymore Egalitarian than any Marxism.

Look at what's happened in the US since we've had this Cultural Marxism. The poor and middle class get poorer, and wealth is concentrated amongst a few. Just like Communism................ or haven't we just done Communism right yet ? :think:
The social card is repeatedly played as a cynical ploy for power almost as often as a sincere bid for equality. Ever since Roman times.
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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by Hastur » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:55 pm

By arguing that all hierarchies are built on the unfair use of power the left can turn the pyramids on their head. Being a looser just means that you are a victim of oppression. It is a very appealing message to many people. I’m not surprised by the success.
The problem is that it’s not how any of it works in reality. Most hierarchies are the results of competition. Some win and some loose. If you go out in the forest you will find that most of the mass is in a few trees. In the galaxy most of the material is clumped into a few stars. It’s a universal pattern of existence. Of all the classical music composed through time just a handulll of pieces from five composers attributes for 90% of concerts put on. It’s still not about unfair power structures.
We must try to minimize the suffering at the bottom of society, that is the proper role for the left, but we can’t delegitimize all success and put the loosers in charge.
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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by Fife » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:11 pm

Hastur wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:55 pm
By arguing that all hierarchies are built on the unfair use of power the left can turn the pyramids on their head. Being a looser just means that you are a victim of oppression. It is a very appealing message to many people. I’m not surprised by the success.
The problem is that it’s not how any of it works in reality. Most hierarchies are the results of competition. Some win and some loose. If you go out in the forest you will find that most of the mass is in a few trees. In the galaxy most of the material is clumped into a few stars. It’s a universal pattern of existence. Of all the classical music composed through time just a handulll of pieces from five composers attributes for 90% of concerts put on. It’s still not about unfair power structures.
We must try to minimize the suffering at the bottom of society, that is the proper role for the left, but we can’t delegitimize all success and put the loosers in charge.
Precisely; the big lie that commies tell is that objective truth and nature are not real.

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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by DBTrek » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:14 pm

Hastur wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:55 pm
By arguing that all hierarchies are built on the unfair use of power the left can turn the pyramids on their head. Being a looser just means that you are a victim of oppression. It is a very appealing message to many people. I’m not surprised by the success.
The problem is that it’s not how any of it works in reality. Most hierarchies are the results of competition. Some win and some loose. If you go out in the forest you will find that most of the mass is in a few trees. In the galaxy most of the material is clumped into a few stars. It’s a universal pattern of existence. Of all the classical music composed through time just a handulll of pieces from five composers attributes for 90% of concerts put on. It’s still not about unfair power structures.
We must try to minimize the suffering at the bottom of society, that is the proper role for the left, but we can’t delegitimize all success and put the loosers in charge.
Strong post Hastur.
Well said.
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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by DrYouth » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:54 pm

Hastur wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:55 pm
By arguing that all hierarchies are built on the unfair use of power the left can turn the pyramids on their head. Being a looser just means that you are a victim of oppression. It is a very appealing message to many people. I’m not surprised by the success.
The problem is that it’s not how any of it works in reality. Most hierarchies are the results of competition. Some win and some loose. If you go out in the forest you will find that most of the mass is in a few trees. In the galaxy most of the material is clumped into a few stars. It’s a universal pattern of existence. Of all the classical music composed through time just a handulll of pieces from five composers attributes for 90% of concerts put on. It’s still not about unfair power structures.
We must try to minimize the suffering at the bottom of society, that is the proper role for the left, but we can’t delegitimize all success and put the loosers in charge.
We have been reading our Jordan Peterson. :)
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Re: Progressivism's relentless War on your Freedom and Liberty

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:56 pm

I don’t think anyone is arguing in favor of Marxism here. But we don’t have an “open competition” in this country, and never have. The government has warped any form of meritocracy, from the very beginning.

I still believe that this is all blowback from massive corruption - as seen in the lead up to 2008, and aftermath. People have lost all faith in the system to promote merit, and the effects are far from over.
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