THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm

If "Professor Voas" has assured you, then I guess that's it.
:lol:

Of course, Professor Voas didn't bother to point out that even if his speculation is true, an Island receiving hundreds of thousands of immigrants every year, all requiring a couple generations to adapt to the "birth norm", will still overwhelm a native populace.

Derp.

But I'm not here to give you nightmares, dude. Hit your government provided Soma pipe and sleep easy. Everything is fine. Professor Voas assures you, he knows the maths, no need for you to think about anything. Sleep, Monte. Sleeeeeeeeep......
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:18 pm

you ask for a source and then trash his source? lol

full CNN 6pm slot during trump statement, schumer looks especially serious in the democratic response. nancy pelosi is good at reading live on tv, i'll give her that

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:40 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm
If "Professor Voas" has assured you, then I guess that's it.
:lol:

Of course, Professor Voas didn't bother to point out that even if his speculation is true, an Island receiving hundreds of thousands of immigrants every year, all requiring a couple generations to adapt to the "birth norm", will still overwhelm a native populace.

Derp.

But I'm not here to give you nightmares, dude. Hit your government provided Soma pipe and sleep easy. Everything is fine. Professor Voas assures you, he knows the maths, no need for you to think about anything. Sleep, Monte. Sleeeeeeeeep......
Hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants each year?
If you are just going to make up figures I guess you have run out of legitimate arguments.
Most are from EU countries and the top immigrants from outside the EU are from China, India, Poland, the United States, and Australia.
Total from 2017 was about 500,000.
Hundreds of thousands from Muslim countries is fact-free scaremongering.
It is very late here though so I'll take your advice and go to bed since you can't give me a decent, honest discussion anyway.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:14 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:40 pm
DBTrek wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 pm
If "Professor Voas" has assured you, then I guess that's it.
:lol:

Of course, Professor Voas didn't bother to point out that even if his speculation is true, an Island receiving hundreds of thousands of immigrants every year, all requiring a couple generations to adapt to the "birth norm", will still overwhelm a native populace.

Derp.

But I'm not here to give you nightmares, dude. Hit your government provided Soma pipe and sleep easy. Everything is fine. Professor Voas assures you, he knows the maths, no need for you to think about anything. Sleep, Monte. Sleeeeeeeeep......
Hundreds of thousands of Muslim immigrants each year?
If you are just going to make up figures I guess you have run out of legitimate arguments.
Most are from EU countries and the top immigrants from outside the EU are from China, India, Poland, the United States, and Australia.
Total from 2017 was about 500,000.
Hundreds of thousands from Muslim countries is fact-free scaremongering.
It is very late here though so I'll take your advice and go to bed since you can't give me a decent, honest discussion anyway.
My post doesn't have the word Muslim in it, dude.
The native populace doesn't have to be displaced by another monolithic culture. It can be replaced by several.
Derp.
Good thing you went to bed.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:43 pm

pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:18 pm
you ask for a source and then trash his source? lol
I didn't trash his source.
His source was trash.
His prediction is that the British Muslim community could eventually grow to make up around 10 per cent of the population, but predictions of much higher percentages are “a bit bonkers”.
Prediction is a fancy word for "guess". When you don't have data, but want to sway people to your beliefs, you take flimsy things like guesses and try to lend them credibility by having credentialed people say them. If that "professors" name is Bob Voas, then we could rephrase the "source" thusly:
"Bob's guess is that Muslims will eventually be 10% of the population. He thinks higher guesses are dumb"

Trash.

Another sign of flimsy, slanted, and misleading "sources" include the use of weasel-words and phrases, like we see in these passages:
But the suggestion that Britain could have a Muslim majority by 2050 is likely to be scaremongering.
(Speculative opinion)

It ignores the fact that, while Muslim birth rates tend to be higher in most countries, they also tend to fall over time and approach the same level as the rest of the population in the end.

Professor Voas told us: “Birth rates have been higher amongst immigrants generally, and perhaps Muslims particularly…the Muslim birth rates converge fairly quickly to the national norms.”
Bob and the Author use a lot of vague statements to convey a pretty specific impression. Though they reluctantly admit at the end of the article that none of their guesses ... er ... "predictions" actually mean dick.
However, predictions like this depend on forecasts of migration from Muslim countries. Very high net migration could change the demographics.
Again, trash.
Not because of me - because of the source.
I merely identified the trash.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:51 pm

i don't care about any of that shit, i'm beefing with you thinking muslims don't overwhelmingly name their children muhammed

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:55 pm

pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:51 pm
i don't care about any of that shit, i'm beefing with you thinking muslims don't overwhelmingly name their children muhammed
I'm beefing with blacks for taking all the cool old Roman names like Marcus and Lucius.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:58 pm

pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:51 pm
i don't care about any of that shit, i'm beefing with you thinking muslims don't overwhelmingly name their children muhammed
They don't.
They overwhelmingly name their boys some variation of Muhammed, but the number of Muslim children *not* named Muhammed certainly outnumber those which are.

Sorry you traveled all this way to lose a beef.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by pineapplemike » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:09 pm

i thought they honor kill the baby girls i dont know

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 am

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:43 pm
pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:18 pm
you ask for a source and then trash his source? lol
I didn't trash his source.
His source was trash.
His prediction is that the British Muslim community could eventually grow to make up around 10 per cent of the population, but predictions of much higher percentages are “a bit bonkers”.
Prediction is a fancy word for "guess". When you don't have data, but want to sway people to your beliefs, you take flimsy things like guesses and try to lend them credibility by having credentialed people say them. If that "professors" name is Bob Voas, then we could rephrase the "source" thusly:
"Bob's guess is that Muslims will eventually be 10% of the population. He thinks higher guesses are dumb"

Trash.

Another sign of flimsy, slanted, and misleading "sources" include the use of weasel-words and phrases, like we see in these passages:
But the suggestion that Britain could have a Muslim majority by 2050 is likely to be scaremongering.
(Speculative opinion)

It ignores the fact that, while Muslim birth rates tend to be higher in most countries, they also tend to fall over time and approach the same level as the rest of the population in the end.

Professor Voas told us: “Birth rates have been higher amongst immigrants generally, and perhaps Muslims particularly…the Muslim birth rates converge fairly quickly to the national norms.”
Bob and the Author use a lot of vague statements to convey a pretty specific impression. Though they reluctantly admit at the end of the article that none of their guesses ... er ... "predictions" actually mean dick.
However, predictions like this depend on forecasts of migration from Muslim countries. Very high net migration could change the demographics.
Again, trash.
Not because of me - because of the source.
I merely identified the trash.
That's the thing about academics, they don't use emotive and definitive statements like...
completely displace my native population with Muslim migrants
...when predicting future trends.
What they do is analyse all the available data and extrapolate that to predict the most likely conclusion.
Due to the uncertain variables and their intellectual honesty they use terms like ''likely''.
I recommend you look up the difference between guesses and predictions for future reference.

Based on the available evidence I predict you will continue to ignore the data and use definitive and emotive language instead to support your narrative. I won't say you will definitely do it though because circumstances may change and you may use the data rather than your opinions in the future.
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