THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-califor ... 11764.html
Part of me hopes this actually comes to fruition - article says 1/3 Californians wants to secede...ill take the economic hit if it means the end of the dnc's control over my family.

I mean, okay Zlaxer, but part of the bilateral trade agreement Trump is going to have to negotiate with us will include a demand from California that everybody in the red states gets gay married to each other... or no deal!

[Zlaxer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-califor ... 11764.html
Part of me hopes this actually comes to fruition - article says 1/3 Californians wants to secede...ill take the economic hit if it means the end of the dnc's control over my family.

I mean, okay Zlaxer, but part of the bilateral trade agreement Trump is going to have to negotiate with us will include a demand from California that everybody in the red states gets gay married to each other... or no deal!

Maybe, but you would also have to pay for the wall we would need to keep everyone from fleeing the new Bear Republic.
If you haven't been laying attention to the changing social climate, CA is about to be nothing but 0.1%ers and proles.....your policies are literally forcing the middle class out.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Maybe, but you would also have to pay for the wall we would need to keep everyone from fleeing the new Bear Republic.

That seems totally fair. Handshake deal?

And people say Americans can't reach a consensus any more!

[ssu]

Also, I don't doubt it's just as bad or worse in Europe. They just have not yet been caught doing it.

Dunno about Europe. The journalist -> Spin doctor path is the same in my country as in the US, politicians here often avoid any mention of fault or taking responsibility if they can. And they have got caught feeding journalists "embarrassing" stories about their rivals. The Conservative party nearly destroyed itself with it, because people got fed up with their constant in-fighting. Took them over a decade to recover from that.

But the press....? We have nine political parties in parliament, StA and eight main newspapers, generally representing the ideological landscape from far left to conservative. The degree of influence Okee's list hinted at, isn't really feasible - or would be effective - here to the same degree. There are narratives, of course, but they differ very much from newspaper to newspaper because of the different ideological perspectives.

The thing is with a multiparty system political parties have to work together and form coalitions. Hence the discourse simply cannot be so hostile and divisive.

In the US system, the two parties (which By European standards one is right-centrist and one far-right wing) are in the end so close that they have go with the overtly hostile attitude towards the other party. And when winner takes it all, there is absolutely no reason for bipartisanship. You don't have to form any coalitions.

Hence the political discourse is so venomous. And likely will stay that way as democrats have likely learned to never give any credence any credit on anything what Trump does. That's the way they will play it. And that's the way the GOP would have played it with Hillary, if they would have lost.

[Martin Hash]

The Democratic Party is going to lose its right wing, the Liberty people (of which I'm one), and since there's no place else to go, they will become Independent, which is essentially Republican, then Dems will be closer to your Left. In fact, most "Progressives" I know espouse outright Marxist philosophy because our educational system has become dominated by The Left. The divisiveness you see now is going to get worse because instead of two Parties that are relatively close in ideology, we will have hard Right vs. hard Left.

[PartyOf5]

The Democratic Party is going to lose its right wing, the Liberty people (of which I'm one), and since there's no place else to go, they will become Independent, which is essentially Republican, then Dems will be closer to your Left. In fact, most "Progressives" I know espouse outright Marxist philosophy because our educational system has become dominated by The Left. The divisiveness you see now is going to get worse because instead of two Parties that are relatively close in ideology, we will have hard Right vs. hard Left.

And all those in the middle are trying to figure out WTF to do. Maybe it will eventually lead to a moderate third party.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The Democratic Party is going to lose its right wing, the Liberty people (of which I'm one), and since there's no place else to go, they will become Independent, which is essentially Republican, then Dems will be closer to your Left. In fact, most "Progressives" I know espouse outright Marxist philosophy because our educational system has become dominated by The Left. The divisiveness you see now is going to get worse because instead of two Parties that are relatively close in ideology, we will have hard Right vs. hard Left.

And all those in the middle are trying to figure out WTF to do. Maybe it will eventually lead to a moderate third party.

Best possible outcome of this whole thing, right there.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't think there can exist a third party for very long the way our government is setup. There really can exist an equilibrium with only two parties.

With the corruption of the establishment, I understand why people wanted a third party, but I think in hindsight the only viable strategy was taking over one of the parties and letting the other die.

But what concerns me now is not so much the corruption but the degeneracy that has taken hold of the left. It doesn't matter how you look at this, this many batshit crazy, hateful people is a bad thing for any nation.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I don't think there can exist a third party for very long the way our government is setup. There really can exist an equilibrium with only two parties.

With the corruption of the establishment, I understand why people wanted a third party, but I think in hindsight the only viable strategy was taking over one of the parties and letting the other die.

But what concerns me now is not so much the corruption but the degeneracy that has taken hold of the left. It doesn't matter how you look at this, this many batshit crazy, hateful people is a bad thing for any nation.

....you want to run a democracy with ONE political party? You understand why that doesn't work, right?

[kybkh]

This has nothing to do with party affiliation. Trump and Bernie both ran on apolitical party platforms.

This is about culture. Gen-X has hit the breaks on cultural revolution until we receive an answer as to how this whole globalist agenda benefits us.

We have been part of Baby Boomer social experiments our whole life. Racial ratios and the restructuring of the nuclear family have jaded our belief that doing what sounds right is actually doing what is right.

The Great Recession, it’s only fair to admit, hit everyone hard. Many boomers had stable careers and established families by the time the recession arrived. Most millennials were still in school or just out. But Xers were moving into what should have been the most solid part of their careers. Aged somewhere between 28 and 44 when the crash of 2008 hit, many Xers had the wind knocked out of them just as they had landed that job they’d been fighting for years to get. Others had recently bought homes, or had children. The Great Recession was no picnic for anyone, but it arguably screwed Xers the worst, as this US News story describes.

The crash also pushed Xers in extreme directions, along an anti-establishment trajectory that led to the Tea Party on one side and lefty organizing of the Occupy model on the other. A year after the crash, Xers were less likely than millennials or boomers to register as Democrats, as this Gallup poll shows. A skepticism about mainstream politics has not entirely lifted.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/07/generat ... democrats/

Trump won because of Gen-X white women.

Trump won 44 percent of the overall women’s vote, 53 percent of white women, and 62 percent of white working class women. (Gen-x)

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/ ... e-n2264394


That’s why women my age don’t like Hillary Clinton. It’s not about politics. It’s about love.
We may disagree with her on policy issues (which I certainly do). But we dislike her because she torpedoed girls’ dreams of real love. And you don’t take that away from a whole generation without paying the price. (read comment section)

http://tolovehonorandvacuum.com/2016/12 ... y-clinton/