The Great Wall of Trump

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Post by heydaralon » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:54 pm

Local food is safer as well. You don't want to be dependent on huge supply chains coming from across the country.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:58 pm

It would be interesting to start with university towns. Allocate land to them and have students work on the farms as part of their tuition, while producing their own food.

We could conceivably establish a mostly self-sufficient university campus in which, instead of going into debt or working dead end jobs, students just work to keep the university running. Include trades and everything.

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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by heydaralon » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:58 pm
It would be interesting to start with university towns. Allocate land to them and have students work on the farms as part of their tuition, while producing their own food.

We could conceivably establish a mostly self-sufficient university campus in which, instead of going into debt or working dead end jobs, students just work to keep the university running. Include trades and everything.
I think it would be even more interesting to forcibly house illegal immigrants in University dorms, particularly at places like Berkeley and Yale. I wonder if being forced to sleep on the floor of your dorm after having paid tuition while letting an illegal sleep in your bed and stealing your textbooks (to resell for drugs or remittances for the 40 bastard children he has at home in Diarrheaville) while also making unwanted sexual advances would get some of these social justice crusaders to see how misguided and obscene their ideas and causes are.
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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by C-Mag » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:08 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:58 pm
It would be interesting to start with university towns. Allocate land to them and have students work on the farms as part of their tuition, while producing their own food.

We could conceivably establish a mostly self-sufficient university campus in which, instead of going into debt or working dead end jobs, students just work to keep the university running. Include trades and everything.
Let's do it !
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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by Ph64 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:19 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:54 pm
Local food is safer as well. You don't want to be dependent on huge supply chains coming from across the country.
It's a balance. Local is good, supports your local economy, and as you say gives you independence from global supply chains. It's also perhaps limited, oranges and bananas don't grow well in Maine or worse Alaska.

On the flip side, more diverse supply can protect from local disasters, drought, tornado/hurricane, earthquake, etc, can all wreak havoc on local crops/farming, at least for the near term.

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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by C-Mag » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:29 pm

Ph64 wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:19 pm
heydaralon wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:54 pm
Local food is safer as well. You don't want to be dependent on huge supply chains coming from across the country.
It's a balance. Local is good, supports your local economy, and as you say gives you independence from global supply chains. It's also perhaps limited, oranges and bananas don't grow well in Maine or worse Alaska.

On the flip side, more diverse supply can protect from local disasters, drought, tornado/hurricane, earthquake, etc, can all wreak havoc on local crops/farming, at least for the near term.
+1

It makes for more resilient local economies as well. Just follow the Micro-Brew, Micro-Distillery model. I know there's money to be made in it. 7 of the 10 biggest mega - corps globally are in food production, you know their names and see their labels Kraft, Nestle, Kellogs, General Mills to name half.

Maybe the coolest benefit to local production is local specialities. We don't get hundreds of varieties of unique cheese, wine and cured meats if communities weren't isolated using local products and techniques.
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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by Ph64 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:16 am

C-Mag wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:29 pm

Maybe the coolest benefit to local production is local specialities. We don't get hundreds of varieties of unique cheese, wine and cured meats if communities weren't isolated using local products and techniques.
One of the arguments against the current idea of everyone buying GMO wheat/corn/etc, we're killing diversity. Sure, they've "engineered" in resistance to say "wheat rust" which can destroy entire crops, but what if some new disease comes along that the current GMO seeded crops aren't resistant to? In the old days farmers might grow different strains in different fields/counties/states, meaning some might be resistant to some new blight that others aren't. By "monocropping" one single strain we open ourselves up to a new "potato famine" that we might not get with more biodiversity.

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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by brewster » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:44 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:29 pm
Ph64 wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:19 pm
heydaralon wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:54 pm
Local food is safer as well. You don't want to be dependent on huge supply chains coming from across the country.
It's a balance. Local is good, supports your local economy, and as you say gives you independence from global supply chains. It's also perhaps limited, oranges and bananas don't grow well in Maine or worse Alaska.

On the flip side, more diverse supply can protect from local disasters, drought, tornado/hurricane, earthquake, etc, can all wreak havoc on local crops/farming, at least for the near term.
+1

It makes for more resilient local economies as well. Just follow the Micro-Brew, Micro-Distillery model. I know there's money to be made in it. 7 of the 10 biggest mega - corps globally are in food production, you know their names and see their labels Kraft, Nestle, Kellogs, General Mills to name half.

Maybe the coolest benefit to local production is local specialities. We don't get hundreds of varieties of unique cheese, wine and cured meats if communities weren't isolated using local products and techniques.
I'm mostly in agreement, big fan of Michael Pollan, and grow a fair bit of veggies and fruit on my city land, but want to point out 2 things:

Agricorps are NOT the biggest corps globally, Nestle is the biggest of your list, and is like #27 with a market cap is only $237B. Https://www.statista.com/statistics/263 ... ket-value/

2nd, the hipsters you despise are actually leaders in the local production movement, from brewing and baking in Brooklyn to raising sheep and alpacas in New England. You should see what's going on at a farmers market in Burlington VT.
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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:49 pm

The mountain hippies where I live all shoot, hunt, and live off the land as much as possible. These guys are easy to get along with. I think it is the urbanites who mistakenly assume mountain hippies are their tribe. They hate you too.

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Re: The Great Wall of Trump

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