"So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction"

[Montegriffo]

You can’t win with these people Monte, you set a good example and live by your your beliefs they’ll critique you for not going far enough to commit low impact suicide for the planet, but even if you did live like a monk their next line would be decrying how impractical it is. It’s really about their own justifications that allow them to not care.

I know you can't win John but that's not really the point. You try to point out the excesses of modern life to people who have never even thought about them in the hope that occasionally a point will get through. There are only 60 million people in this country yet we send a billion Christmas cards. We are the worst nation on earth in this regard. People compete with each other for how many they receive like teenage girls competing for Facebook friends. They give them to people they barely know because the unwritten social contract means that their act of Christmas good cheer must be returned and the tally goes up.
However if you point this out you somehow hate Jesus and are a hypocrite because once every two or three years you build a new trebuchet from some second hand timbers destined for firewood otherwise.
You point out that F1 drives technology in a fuel efficient direction but all they can see is the resources used to transport and race the cars each season.
Sure I could live in a tepee living the life of a hunter gatherer to prove how committed I am to the cause but would that make people more likely to follow my lifestyle or would it just confirm their opinion that being greener is just crazy old hippies who can't live in the real world?
It's the same with your cause. No one can honestly live the life of a total vegan, so much is hidden from us. Does the glue which binds the pages of the latest vegan cookbook come from an animal source? Is it even possible to find out when you are standing in the bookshop pondering which one to buy.
At the end of the day you can only do your best and hope by example to show to others that there is another way. That you can survive in the modern world and still keep a few principles.
Does that make me a paragon of virtue? Not even close but it does show you can at least try.

[Montegriffo]

In situations like this, it might help to ask yourself ''what would Jesus say?''
I think he would say,
''look I wasn't even born in December, can't you just be nice to each other for a few days once a year without messing up Dad's planet''.

[PartyOf5]

You just couldn't help yourself Monte. You go on this long rant about you are just trying to be helpful and you have no idea why anyone would be offended by your posts. Then you follow it up with another jab at Christians and Christmas.

You obviously didn't read my last post because I made it clear it's not about you not living 100% carbon free. It's about you continuing to be a judgmental, condescending ass. I feel like I've been through this with you before where I say that based on this exchange you are either a moron or a troll. Probably a bit of both. Maybe it's time I filter you out as you have done to others like ClubGOP.

[Fife]

I'd rather ask "what would Smits say?," knowing that he'd be writing it on a Christmas card made from baby seal skin and with ink made from a mixture of crude oil, the ashes of a Great Redwood tree, and the blood squeezed out of piece of veal.

[Montegriffo]

You just couldn't help yourself Monte. You go on this long rant about you are just trying to be helpful and you have no idea why anyone would be offended by your posts. Then you follow it up with another jab at Christians and Christmas.

You obviously didn't read my last post because I made it clear it's not about you not living 100% carbon free. It's about you continuing to be a judgmental, condescending ass. I feel like I've been through this with you before where I say that based on this exchange you are either a moron or a troll. Probably a bit of both. Maybe it's time I filter you out as you have done to others like ClubGOP.

You saw that as a jab against Christians and Christianity?
It was clearly a jab at consumerism masking itself as Christianity.
If you can't keep up maybe putting me on ignore is your best option if you are going to act like a butthurt snowflake every time you miss the point.

[brewster]

You just couldn't help yourself Monte. You go on this long rant about you are just trying to be helpful and you have no idea why anyone would be offended by your posts. Then you follow it up with another jab at Christians and Christmas.

You obviously didn't read my last post because I made it clear it's not about you not living 100% carbon free. It's about you continuing to be a judgmental, condescending ass. I feel like I've been through this with you before where I say that based on this exchange you are either a moron or a troll. Probably a bit of both. Maybe it's time I filter you out as you have done to others like ClubGOP.

You saw that as a jab against Christians and Christianity?
It was clearly a jab at consumerism masking itself as Christianity.
If you can't keep up maybe putting me on ignore is your best option if you are going to act like a butthurt snowflake every time you miss the point.

From the energy thread I have concluded Po5 is an extremely literal person, possibly on the spectrum. Similes and allusions are lost on him.

[Speaker to Animals]

In situations like this, it might help to ask yourself ''what would Jesus say?''
I think he would say,
''look I wasn't even born in December, can't you just be nice to each other for a few days once a year without messing up Dad's planet''.

Most likely he would tell you to pull your head out of your ass and worry about your own salvation more than some other guy's carbon footprint.

[jediuser598]

What happened to Smitty, he die or something?

[Speaker to Animals]

He moved to Africa to confront his white privilege.

[PartyOf5]

From the energy thread I have concluded Po5 is an extremely literal person, possibly on the spectrum. Similes and allusions are lost on him.

You still haven't answered my questions in that thread. I have made my own conclusions about you as well.