Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:29 am

nmoore63 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:15 am
I always have a very difficult time understanding what the French rioters want.

They riot over so many conflicting demands.
These protests appear to be driven by and made up of mostly working people. Working people protests are far more serious than unemployed student protests.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:42 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:22 am
2/3 of France support the yellow jacket protestors.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/1 ... -response/

"Far-right terrorists"... LMFAO
Two out of three people don't like high fuel prices.
That's world-shattering statistics from Breitfart.
Who would ever have predicted that?
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by C-Mag » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:47 am

Why are the prices of Fuel High when Oil is trading at astonishingly low prices ?

Global Warming Taxes.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by BjornP » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:53 am

nmoore63 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:15 am
I always have a very difficult time understanding what the French rioters want.

They riot over so many conflicting demands.
Otern's explanation of the situation seems the most correct:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/euro ... ion-france
The social movement is a mosaic of French working-class experiences, of people feeling disenfranchised from the urban elite who “can focus on the end of the world, while we’re worrying about the end of the month”, as one yellow vest put it. The movement isn’t affiliated to any party. It has been violent at times – two people have died in moments of panic involving cars – and racist and homophobic slurs have been reported during blockades. But mostly, the movement reveals what an op-ed in Le Monde describes as the new “territorial and fiscal divides”. It declared: “The growing gap between rulers and ruled has fed the democratic disenchantment, then rejection, and now its secession.”
Compare to the MSNBC:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/who- ... ey-n940016
“The white middle class, the forgotten middle class in France,” said Famke Krumbmüller, an expert in French politics at OpenCitiz political consultancy firm in Paris.

Krumbmüller said the people protesting were those who pay the high French taxes and social charges — which cover benefits such as the state pension and unemployment insurance — but feel they get little in return because they are not the poorest in society.

“They’re fed up with the rising prices and the cost of living,” she explained. “They feel like the political elite is forgetting about them.”
"French working class" vs. "White Middle Class". No mention of the issues mentioned by both Otern and the New Statesman article in the MSNBC piece.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 am

A no deal Brexit could send the pound plunging and trigger a worse recession than the financial crisis, the Bank of England has warned.

It said the UK economy could shrink by 8% in the immediate aftermath if there was no transition period, while house prices could fall by almost a third.

The Bank of England also warned the pound could fall by a quarter.

The Bank's analysis comes after the Treasury said the UK would be worse off under any form of Brexit.

This Bank's scenario is not what it expects to happen, but represents a worst-case scenario, based on a so called "disorderly Brexit".

The scenario looks at the five-year period after the UK leaves the EU.

But by the end of 2023, the economy is expected to resume growing.
The Bank of England has made a number of assumptions - not forecasts - about what would cause a disorderly Brexit.

The UK reverts to World Trade Organization rules
No new trade deals are implemented by 2022
The UK loses all access to existing trade agreements between the EU and third countries
Severe disruption at borders because of customs checks
Migration reverses from 150,000 a year to falling by 100,000 a year

The Bank of England does not give a probability of this happening.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 am

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:47 am
Why are the prices of Fuel High when Oil is trading at astonishingly low prices ?

Global Warming Taxes.
And I bet you a donut the money is actually going to pay for shortfalls in their welfare state due to mass migration of Africans and Arabs.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:16 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 am
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:47 am
Why are the prices of Fuel High when Oil is trading at astonishingly low prices ?

Global Warming Taxes.
And I bet you a donut the money is actually going to pay for shortfalls in their welfare state due to mass migration of Africans and Arabs.
It's not all about the money. Sure that's what people bitch about but the aim is to reduce consumption and emissions.
If you have a thirsty SUV, big-engined sports car or a 4x4 you pay more vehicle tax to cover your extra pollution.
The polluter pays.
It's the opposite of ''Whatever you subsidize you get more of''.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:16 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 am
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:47 am
Why are the prices of Fuel High when Oil is trading at astonishingly low prices ?

Global Warming Taxes.
And I bet you a donut the money is actually going to pay for shortfalls in their welfare state due to mass migration of Africans and Arabs.
It's not all about the money. Sure that's what people bitch about but the aim is to reduce consumption and emissions.
If you have a thirsty SUV, big-engined sports car or a 4x4 you pay more vehicle tax to cover your extra pollution.
The polluter pays.
It's the opposite of ''Whatever you subsidize you get more of''.

So penalize transportation costs for poor people and you get less economic prosperity? Great plan.

The part where most people do not believe the unproven hypothesis that humans are causing climate change seems to escape you.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:21 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:16 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 am


And I bet you a donut the money is actually going to pay for shortfalls in their welfare state due to mass migration of Africans and Arabs.
It's not all about the money. Sure that's what people bitch about but the aim is to reduce consumption and emissions.
If you have a thirsty SUV, big-engined sports car or a 4x4 you pay more vehicle tax to cover your extra pollution.
The polluter pays.
It's the opposite of ''Whatever you subsidize you get more of''.

So penalize transportation costs for poor people and you get less economic prosperity? Great plan.
Poor people don't drive an SUV, big-engined sports car or a 4x4.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:24 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:21 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:16 am


It's not all about the money. Sure that's what people bitch about but the aim is to reduce consumption and emissions.
If you have a thirsty SUV, big-engined sports car or a 4x4 you pay more vehicle tax to cover your extra pollution.
The polluter pays.
It's the opposite of ''Whatever you subsidize you get more of''.

So penalize transportation costs for poor people and you get less economic prosperity? Great plan.
Poor people don't drive an SUV, big-engined sports car or a 4x4.
It's a fuel tax, Monty. It's hitting everybody no matter what they drive. You're committing a red herring fallacy here.

Also, most Euro sports cars are not "big engined" at all.