Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

[JohnDonne]

Implying it’s not a simulation to walk around the woods in Walmart hunting gear, and a state of the art rifle and imagine communion with early man?

That is a Corporate Media and Hollywood Business propaganda view of hunting. Hunting is the farthest thing from a simulation. Taking life is as real as it gets. Packing into wilderness areas alone to hunt, and face off with Grizzlies is as real as it gets.

The simulation is living in an urban or semi urban environment and getting your food from a corporate production chain.

It’s not as real as it gets though, it’s farcical to compare that to what our ancestors did, the hunter of today can’t even survive in this wilderness yet he drives there from his modern house and uses Chinese factory made equipment to make sure everything goes smooth and he can come home for the weekend to watch the game on satellite tv. There is no real consequence if he fails, but for the animal in nature everything is of. consequence. The modern hunter is like a well fed house cat that goes and messes with wild animals and then returns to his nice modern home and thinks hes a wildcat.

[JohnDonne]

Camouflage and tools. Two things that are 'natural' to humans, with their big ol' brains, fed by super-efficient animal proteins.

Would you like to have the 'no true naturalist' argument?

Must be difficult for you, in having so much insight into being human, that you can’t rape and pillage like humans have always done. Truly laws restraining people is an affront to our humanity.

Would a simulator solve those human problems?

Solved, no, but sublimated into productivity through ethical activitiies like competition, yes.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fair point.

[JohnDonne]

It isn't funny.
It is because vegans always bring up the 'good of the environment' using examples of 'organic' veganism without being able to convincingly scale that to the whole human population.

I’m unaware of vegans doing this, but as I said, that’s exactky what grass fed beef proponents do.

As I read it, this is your entire argument for technology saving us from the moral failure of meat consumption. Industrial Veganism right thur.

I don’t use organic farm statistics, I am not pretending everything would be small organic farms without meat. I am an industrial, or technological vegan, I don’t pretend industrial agriculture wouldn’t make sense in a vegan future. The fact is there would be less far industrial agriculture required without the farm animals needing to be fed, including the grass fed beef that requires hay in the winter.

[Speaker to Animals]

There will be no future in which even a significant percentage of us adopt your stupid diet. I will not give up my muscles for anything. I will eat vegans before that.

[JohnDonne]

What is truly weird about these cultists is how they try to evangelize their diet like like those door-to-door Mormons evangelize their religion.

You can talk to anybody else about diet, learn new things, agree to disagree, whatever. Not vegans, though. Fucking ridiculous people lost their faith in God, and needing a new god to worship, idolatarized their diet. They crave moral certainty so much, and yet have morally degenerated so far, that they resort to this.

You see a similar pattern in the diversity and tolerance cult, but something about veganism is particularly cancerous and farcical at the same time.

Veganism is like a religion if that religion was based on rationality and humanistic ideals, and was scientifically proven to be better than all the other religions.

[JohnDonne]

There will be no future in which even a significant percentage of us adopt your stupid diet. I will not give up my muscles for anything. I will eat vegans before that.

You can keep your muscle by eating tempeh, or in vitro meat.

[JohnDonne]

Vegans are hypocrites, murderers, and rapists if they drink milk or use dairy products. End of discussion.

I think you need to look up the definition of vegan.

Most of them don't stay Vegans is my point.

Tu quoque, a fallacy.

[heydaralon]

I think you need to look up the definition of vegan.

Most of them don't stay Vegans is my point.

Tu quoque, a fallacy.

You just list off fallacies like that trumps the reality of this situation. I wouldn't trust any kind of fad, diet, or belief system that 84% of its members bail on. That statistic tells us all we need to know about faganism. You will eat meat again. Its only a matter of time. It might not be today, or tomorrow, but it will happen. And when it does, we will all mock you far more than we are today for all the virtue signalling and the sanctimonious nonsense that you attempted on us.

[JohnDonne]

Most of them don't stay Vegans is my point.

Tu quoque, a fallacy.

You just list off fallacies like that trumps the reality of this situation. I wouldn't trust any kind of fad, diet, or belief system that 84% of its members bail on. That statistic tells us all we need to know about faganism. You will eat meat again. Its only a matter of time.

Bandwagon fallacy.