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[Speaker to Animals]

They do not get enough cholesterol (really none that is useful) and their hormones shut down. Every cell in your body requires cholesterol. They are essentially starving themselves at the cellular level. It's not just the B12 problem and the mitochondrial issues. They suffer from quite a lot of problems under the hood.

For most, you start seeing the signs after about five years or so. They will age dramatically in that time and look like shit in general.

Then there is the cognitive impairments.

[heydaralon]

They do not get enough cholesterol (really none that is useful) and their hormones shut down. Every cell in your body requires cholesterol. They are essentially starving themselves at the cellular level. It's not just the B12 problem and the mitochondrial issues. They suffer from quite a lot of problems under the hood.

For most, you start seeing the signs after about five years or so. They will age dramatically in that time and look like shit in general.

Then there is the cognitive impairments.

I suspect the reason that Vegans have a tendency toward homosexuality is because they are experiencing a form of Pica. The same way pregnant women crave strange foods and will eat shit like bark, sand, paint chips, or grass the Vegan subconsciously knows they are not getting enough protein from their suicidal diet so they will seek out protein in the form of semen from random people encountered in bus station bathrooms or homeless shelters. Any semen will do for them. While that sort of lifestyle goes against common decency, perhaps PSA's should be sent out urging them to boil the semen first, in order to kill the hepatitis.

[Speaker to Animals]

Sounds legit.

[JohnDonne]

Clearly she's about to keel over. If only she ate Mcdonald's she wouldn't be dying.

So much wrong in two sentences.

I would need to see her blood work first to figure out where she is deficient (vegans are a famously malnourished demographic). Putting healthy-looking vegans out there is good for PR, but it's easy when you get them early in the process before the nutrient deficiencies cause premature aging, hair loss, lose skin, etc.

As far as implying we think you should eat fast food to remain healthy.. that's just more of you being a lying little shit. I have advocated for years now on this forum that people should eat a whole foods diet with the majority of that coming from nutrient-dense vegetables.

Hey if you consistently claim untrue things and can't find any sources to back them up maybe you're an ignoramus?

[JohnDonne]

They do not get enough cholesterol (really none that is useful) and their hormones shut down. Every cell in your body requires cholesterol. They are essentially starving themselves at the cellular level. It's not just the B12 problem and the mitochondrial issues. They suffer from quite a lot of problems under the hood.

For most, you start seeing the signs after about five years or so. They will age dramatically in that time and look like shit in general.

Then there is the cognitive impairments.

Could you post some data that shows vegans are starved of cholesterol? I'm sure you have it somewhere.

[Speaker to Animals]

They do not get enough cholesterol (really none that is useful) and their hormones shut down. Every cell in your body requires cholesterol. They are essentially starving themselves at the cellular level. It's not just the B12 problem and the mitochondrial issues. They suffer from quite a lot of problems under the hood.

For most, you start seeing the signs after about five years or so. They will age dramatically in that time and look like shit in general.

Then there is the cognitive impairments.

Could you post some data that shows vegans are starved of cholesterol? I'm sure you have it somewhere.

Child, I don't need "data" to show that you are starved of cholesterol. I know what cholesterol is in the first place. If you knew what cholesterol was, and how it is made, then you'd know you don't consume it as a vegan. There is no cholesterol in plants. LOL

[JohnDonne]

The body produces cholesterol whether you eat dietary cholesterol or not.

Being an internet expert I figured you'd be aware of that fact.

[Speaker to Animals]

The body produces cholesterol whether you eat dietary cholesterol or not.

Being an internet expert I figured you'd be aware of that fact.

Are you also aware of what sugars, proteins and fats are required to actually make cholesterol, then?

Most of that comes from meat. Most of the protein in plants is not bioavailable unless you are very clever about mixing protein sources to get a complete set of amino acids. Saturated fats is a big ingredient. Again: from meat.

People with dangerously high cholesterol levels are actually advised to stop eating meat for a short period of time precisely because their bodies will not make enough cholesterol without the meat.

[JohnDonne]

The body produces cholesterol whether you eat dietary cholesterol or not.

Being an internet expert I figured you'd be aware of that fact.

Are you also aware of what sugars, proteins and fats are required to actually make cholesterol, then?

Most of that comes from meat. Most of the protein in plants is not bioavailable unless you are very clever about mixing protein sources to get a complete set of amino acids. Saturated fats is a big ingredient. Again: from meat.

People with dangerously high cholesterol levels are actually advised to stop eating meat for a short period of time precisely because their bodies will not make enough cholesterol without the meat.

Lol you’re repeating the protein combining myth.

This has been discredited for decades. From Wikipedia:

Protein combining has drawn criticism as an unnecessary complicating factor in nutrition.

In 1981, Frances Moore Lappé changed her position on protein combining from a decade prior in a revised edition of Diet for a Small Planet in which she wrote:

"In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed that the only way to get enough protein ... was to create a protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression that in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it is much easier than I thought.
"With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."[11]:162
Necessity of protein combining was not asserted. Rather, the increased biological value of meals where proteins are combined was noted. In a concession, Lappé removed from the second edition "charts that indicate exact proportions of complementary proteins".[11]:239

The American Dietetic Association reversed itself in its 1988 position paper on vegetarianism. Suzanne Havala, the primary author of the paper, recalls the research process:

There was no basis for [protein combining] that I could see.... I began calling around and talking to people and asking them what the justification was for saying that you had to complement proteins, and there was none. And what I got instead was some interesting insight from people who were knowledgeable and actually felt that there was probably no need to complement proteins. So we went ahead and made that change in the paper. [Note: The paper was approved by peer review and by a delegation vote before becoming official.]
In 1994, Vernon Young and Peter Pellett published their paper that became the definitive contemporary guide to protein metabolism in humans. It also confirmed that complementing proteins at meals was totally unnecessary. Thus, people who avoid consuming animal protein do not need to be at all concerned about amino acid imbalances from the plant proteins that make up their usual diets.[17]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining

In Healthy Times Jeff Novick wrote that the necessity of protein combining is a "myth that won’t go away".[21]

In 2005, Dr. Joel Fuhrman wrote:

...plant foods have plenty of protein and you do not have to be a nutritional scientist or dietitian to figure out what to eat and you don’t need to mix and match foods to achieve protein completeness. Any combination of natural foods will supply you with adequate protein, including all eight essential amino acids as well as unessential amino acids.[22]
Dr. T. Colin Campbell wrote in 2006:

We now know that through enormously complex metabolic systems, the human body can derive all the essential amino acids from the natural variety of plant proteins that we encounter every day. It doesn’t require eating higher quantities of plant protein or meticulously planning every meal.[23]
In 2009, the American Dietetic Association wrote:

Plant protein can meet protein requirements when a variety of plant foods is consumed and energy needs are met. Research indicates that an assortment of plant foods eaten over the course of a day can provide all essential amino acids and ensure adequate nitrogen retention and use in healthy adults, thus, complementary proteins do not need to be consumed at the same meal.[24]
The American Heart Association now states:

You don’t need to eat foods from animals to have enough protein in your diet. Plant proteins alone can provide enough of the essential and non-essential amino acids, as long as sources of dietary protein are varied and caloric intake is high enough to meet energy needs. Whole grains, legumes, vegetables, seeds and nuts all contain both essential and non-essential amino acids. You don’t need to consciously combine these foods (“complementary proteins”) within a given meal.[25]

So why do you think it requires cleverness to eat several different vegetables in a day?

As for saturated fats, saturated fat is found in almost all vegetable fats.

[Speaker to Animals]

The first paragraph of your silly Wikipedia argument just repeated what I wrote. You have to combine vegetable protein sources to get a complete amino acid profile. That's not the case with meat. You just eat meat and it can be utilized by your body.

Plant protein is not as bioavailable either.

Stop trying to deflect from the point about cholesterol. You don't consume it and over time you are going to cause all kinds of hormonal and cellular damage. I sort of suspect the lack of cholesterol is the reason why vegans age so fucking awfully in such a short span of time. The rate of cellular damage has to be very high for them to age as they do or their rate of clearing out old cells and repairing cells has to be low. I doubt the latter. I think vegans are constantly in a catabolic state and breaking down their own bodies due to lack of nutrition. The aging thing has to be something else. My suspicion is that the lack of cholesterol is what causes it.