Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

[heydaralon]

It’s not arbitrary, it’s how we establish consciousness in anything, including ourselves, you’re using the same standard of analogous evidence to talk about the plant being “put to sleep.” It’s just there’s not anywhere near as much of that analogous evidence in the case of plants as the case for animals. A brain dead comatose patient’s body on life support may display similar chemical and. hormonal activity as the plant, you wouldn’t call that body “conscious” necessarily.

If plants can be put to sleep, that at least suggests that in their awake state, they are aware of their surroundings and capable of interacting with their environment. If they are messaging one another, this also suggests a rudimentary consciousness. If you want to get into a philosophical debate about consciousness, and defining your terms, that is fine. All I'm saying is that this is problematic for Veganism. I am fine with eating animals. But Vegans do not make distinctions between animals and their varying degrees of intelligence, and see them all as things that it is immoral to eat. If you are arguing that a plant is not conscious, I could argue the same for a crab using the criteria you put forward, and I would challenge you to prove that a crab is "conscious."

Crabs have causal structures, plants don’t, that’s a big hole in your argument.

Again, I don't think that distinction matters in an ethical discussion. If it was discovered that plants could feel pain the same way animals could, would you still eat them?

[JohnDonne]

If plants can be put to sleep, that at least suggests that in their awake state, they are aware of their surroundings and capable of interacting with their environment. If they are messaging one another, this also suggests a rudimentary consciousness. If you want to get into a philosophical debate about consciousness, and defining your terms, that is fine. All I'm saying is that this is problematic for Veganism. I am fine with eating animals. But Vegans do not make distinctions between animals and their varying degrees of intelligence, and see them all as things that it is immoral to eat. If you are arguing that a plant is not conscious, I could argue the same for a crab using the criteria you put forward, and I would challenge you to prove that a crab is "conscious."

Crabs have causal structures, plants don’t, that’s a big hole in your argument.

Again, I don't think that distinction matters in an ethical discussion. If it was discovered that plants could feel pain the same way animals could, would you still eat them?

It matters in the practical discussion of determining with any kind of certainty or consistency what is sentient.

But if it was discovered that plants are sentient through other means than a brain, it would create many ethical dilemmas. I personally hope that never happens for obvious reasons

[JohnDonne]

Where the hell did you get that from?

Your past posts on the dcf and here of course

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

K

[Speaker to Animals]

Your past posts on the dcf and here of course

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

K

Really?

What exactly did you mean by my "thinking animals are worse than humans"? What the fuck does that even mean?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Most people don’t think about it, but the smell of “fresh cut grass” is actually an alarm pheromone released by the plants, to warn each other. It stimulates them to release seeds.

[TheReal_ND]

4 point today was 128 lbs field dressed. Not bad; broke the seal on the freezer at least.

Gibs

[PartyOf5]

Every species is lower on the evolutionary ladder than us. It's a fact. IDK what point JohnDon is trying to make other than to try and show how much higher up on the ladder he thinks he is because he doesn't eat meat.

[Speaker to Animals]

The phrase "worse than" implies both a moral judgment and one of disapproval of humanity itself. I think the vegan is projecting his own problems onto normal people who eat a proper diet.

I do not place moral judgments upon animals outside of perhaps jokes, and I certainly do not hold contempt and implicit hate for our species. In fact, I am rather proud of us atomic primates.

But JD has shown exactly that for humanity. Indeed, most of his type constantly express hatred towards our species. They co-opted environmentalism from nationalists to use it as a vehicle to demand population reductions through evil and tyrannical laws. They demand we not be allowed to eat a natural human diet. Think about that. If a zoo decided to feed lions what the elephants eat, the state would protect the animals from what would rightly be called abuse. Even JD's type would protest the abuse, and yet they want to do exactly that to humans. He is projecting.

[Speaker to Animals]

Atomic primates care about the environment. Here you see an example of the Atomic Primate mounting a 20mm Vulcan cannon from an F-15 onto a Toyota Prius as the weapons platform. Because he cares about the environment. He could have just gone with a gas-guzzling armored car, but no. He cares about God's creatures and the Earth, so he builds war machines that protect the environment.

[C-Mag]

A little remember when
UN predicts global disaster by 2000 if Global Warming not stopped(1989)

Entire Nations will be wiped off the map by rising seas

https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

Sounds very dire...………… we should give more power to the globohomo's.