Your Friend the State

[TheReal_ND]

"E. coli or salmonella or listeria can grow in the food," department director Rex Archer said. "And then you give that to homeless people who are more vulnerable, they will end up in the ER and even die from that exposure."

If anyone is going to end up in the ER over food poisoning it's going to be some desk jockey obese handing out government permits. Homeless people are immune to bacteria.

[heydaralon]

I fucking hate food banks. My company always saves food for them, and its a major pain in the ass. Then the company gets to pat itself on the back for being "good", while still taking the tax write off. Not only that but I have volunteered at food banks before, and minorities and white trash people will show up in these Escalades and tricked out cars and totally game the system, they will have multiple people in the same car, and have each of them go in as a different "family." They have money to drive these nice cars, but not enough to supposedly feed their own families. Not to mention, you know every one of those scummy fucks are on EBT and welfare. Fucking disgusting. There is very little lower than taking advantage of a charity. Its not the charity workers fault they were born naive trusting suckers, and these food bank gamers shouldn't be taking advantage of their stupidity.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's amazing how paying for a city permit eliminates the risk of e. coli.

If that permit ensures good practice then it will reduce the risk of E-coli and other food born pathogens.

Without regulations on food handling there will be more poisoning.

No, it doesn't. The permit ensures the corrupt city government gets more revenue at the expense of the homeless.

If you want to ensure food safety, then pay for more food inspectors. As it is, there are a few inspections of physical restaurants every few years, to really little gain. The way we deal with it by setting regulations for food handling and expecting restaurants to follow them (which most do). If there is an outbreak, they deal with it afterwards, not before. There really is little the state does for prevention other than setting some pretty obvious health regulations as to how food is handled.

Collecting money for a permit does literally nothing to prevent food-borne illness.

[heydaralon]

These people don't want to work, and they are just too lazy to apply for foodstamps. BleachBeef it is...

Not my problem. I don't even live in KC..

[Speaker to Animals]

Monty, just peruse this list of food poisoning cases in Kansas City:

https://iwaspoisoned.com/location/unite ... ansas-city

All those places had permits. Paying for a permit doesn't prevent people from getting sick.

[Montegriffo]

Monty, just peruse this list of food poisoning cases in Kansas City:

https://iwaspoisoned.com/location/unite ... ansas-city

All those places had permits. Paying for a permit doesn't prevent people from getting sick.

Are there no inspections before you get a permit?
If a permit is simply a matter of paying with no requirement to reach a minimum standard of food safety then I agree.

[heydaralon]

Monty, just peruse this list of food poisoning cases in Kansas City:

https://iwaspoisoned.com/location/unite ... ansas-city

All those places had permits. Paying for a permit doesn't prevent people from getting sick.

Are there no inspections before you get a permit?
If a permit is simply a matter of paying with no requirement to reach a minimum standard of food safety then I agree.

The thing is, usually the paper the permit is printed on is disinfected which does kill all the microbes at first. Also, when the permit is printed, the heat of the printer kills many bacteria also. So the permit does offer a small area of sterilization at least initially.

[Speaker to Animals]

Monty, just peruse this list of food poisoning cases in Kansas City:

https://iwaspoisoned.com/location/unite ... ansas-city

All those places had permits. Paying for a permit doesn't prevent people from getting sick.

Are there no inspections before you get a permit?
If a permit is simply a matter of paying with no requirement to reach a minimum standard of food safety then I agree.

Not really. Inspections are random or scheduled every year or two, depending upon the state. The main strategy is to establish safe food handling regulations, expect establishments and workers to follow them, and then go in after people get infected to figure out what went wrong, how to fix it, and who is getting fined. That aspect works fairly well, I guess.

I don't think we have anything like what you guys have. We do have inspectors, but it's not as pervasive.

The permit and the inspections are separate issues, though. The city is trying to cop to the "food safety" red herring argument because the permit issue really is just a cash grab by the city. These things are not, and do not have to be, connected at all.

It's like saying we can't ensure people will drive safely unless they pay their vehicle registration tax. Makes no sense. Also a cash grab. Also fucking ridiculous (more so, really).

[Montegriffo]

Monty, just peruse this list of food poisoning cases in Kansas City:

https://iwaspoisoned.com/location/unite ... ansas-city

All those places had permits. Paying for a permit doesn't prevent people from getting sick.

Are there no inspections before you get a permit?
If a permit is simply a matter of paying with no requirement to reach a minimum standard of food safety then I agree.

Not really. Inspections are random or scheduled every year or two, depending upon the state. The main strategy is to establish safe food handling regulations, expect establishments and workers to follow them, and then go in after people get infected to figure out what went wrong, how to fix it, and who is getting fined. That aspect works fairly well, I guess.

I don't think we have anything like what you guys have. We do have inspectors, but it's not as pervasive.

I don't have to pay for a permit but I do need to pass an inspection to get a food safety rating. The better the rating the longer period before the next visit.
I also have to have up to date safety certificates for my gas and electric systems in the kitchen every year.
I have to record temperatures of food in storage and while it is being served.
I have to list my daily cleaning and maintenance schedule and carry it out.
I have to have public and employee liability insurance and a personal food handling certificate renewable every 3 years.
Any large festival or event I do I will also be very likely to get an onsite inspection from the local health inspector.
It's a giant pain in the arse but I understand the reasons and am happy to know that all other food outlets have to comply. Sometimes I'm a customer myself.
As it happens all 3 members of the family here at the farm have gone down with food poisoning from an unregulated BBQ at a remembrance day service on Sunday.
They all have high-pressure fluids coming out of both ends.

[nmoore63]

If that permit ensures good practice then it will reduce the risk of E-coli and other food born pathogens.

Without regulations on food handling there will be more poisoning.

Without the government who will save us from the charity bake sales?????

Very different level of risk between freshly baked cakes and raw meat. Especially meat past its use by date and in a dumpster.

Can't get food poisoning if you starve to death.