Socialism

[Fife]

[heydaralon]

Nice

Nice?

He turned the argument into a better-of-two-evils with a succinct indictment of no regulation. Something that could actually work on FB.

Brewster: there is a book called Ecocide in the USSR that discusses the widespread environmental pollution that took place during the Soviet Era. Any honest reading on China under Mao and onward also mentions this. To this day, China pollutes in such a blatant and pervasive way that I'm surprised that environmentalists always frame this as a solely capitalistic problem. This is such a superficial take on the issue. I'm not against regulation, but you are deluding yourself if you think that having a strong government will fix this.

[Zlaxer]

Nice?

He turned the argument into a better-of-two-evils with a succinct indictment of no regulation. Something that could actually work on FB.

Brewster: there is a book called Ecocide in the USSR that discusses the widespread environmental pollution that took place during the Soviet Era. Any honest reading on China under Mao and onward also mentions this. To this day, China pollutes in such a blatant and pervasive way that I'm surprised that environmentalists always frame this as a solely capitalistic problem. This is such a superficial take on the issue. I'm not against regulation, but you are deluding yourself if you think that having a strong government will fix this.

That’s exactly the point - big centralized government means corporations have less people to bribe and a bigger bang for the buck.

When government become very big - it becomes the corporation and has all the incentive to pollute with absolutly no oversight.

Government should regulate - not subsume - corporations. Socialism seeks to achieve the later.

You dont need a big government to regulate - but you do to replace corporations.

[heydaralon]

goddamnit, I quoted the wrong post. My bad brewster I meant to quote your earlier argument about govt regulation vs corporate influence.

[heydaralon]

He turned the argument into a better-of-two-evils with a succinct indictment of no regulation. Something that could actually work on FB.

Brewster: there is a book called Ecocide in the USSR that discusses the widespread environmental pollution that took place during the Soviet Era. Any honest reading on China under Mao and onward also mentions this. To this day, China pollutes in such a blatant and pervasive way that I'm surprised that environmentalists always frame this as a solely capitalistic problem. This is such a superficial take on the issue. I'm not against regulation, but you are deluding yourself if you think that having a strong government will fix this.

That’s exactly the point - big centralized government means corporations have less people to bribe and a bigger bang for the buck.

When government become very big - it becomes the corporation and has all the incentive to pollute with absolutly no oversight.

Government should regulate - not subsume - corporations. Socialism seeks to achieve the later.

You dont need a big government to regulate - but you do to replace corporations.

I agree, and if you think about it, the same short sighted impetus that drives corporate quarterly profits drove stuff like Stalin's steel production figures for his five year plans. Its a flaw in human nature, and changing the economic system will not fix it.

[Hastur]

Clean environment is a luxury. We get it when we have all the essentials already and feel we can afford it.

[Fife]

[Zlaxer]

So - It’s increasingly clear that Americans want more collectivism - does that mean we’re doomed to be Venezuela? What happens when DNC controls all branches and all states? Do things just grind to a halt? Or will people finally reject marxism ?

[Speaker to Animals]

We are not one people. Yankees are going socialist. That's in the cards. What remains uncertain is whether the rest of us are going to opt out.

[Speaker to Animals]

The interesting part to me is that the people I knew in Chicago from around 2000 onwards changed. Many used to be somewhat republican-leaning, or at least a "liberal". Now they are straight-up socialist. Yankeedom is collapsing in on itself like a black hole of puritan fun times.