The Myth of Birthright Citizenship

[brewster]

The guard is not a militia. Those are federal troops.

The Guard differs with you. http://www.nationalguard.mil/About-the- ... -We-Began/

We recognize December 13th as the birthday of the National Guard. On this date in 1636, the first militia regiments in North America were organized in Massachusetts. Based upon an order of the Massachusetts Bay Colony's General Court, the colony's militia was organized into three permanent regiments to better defend the colony. Today, the descendants of these first regiments - the 181st Infantry, the 182nd Infantry, the 101st Field Artillery, and the 101st Engineer Battalion of the Massachusetts Army National Guard – share the distinction of being the oldest units in the U.S. military. December 13, 1636, thus marks the beginning of the organized militia, and the birth of the National Guard's oldest organized units is symbolic of the founding of all the state, territory, and District of Columbia militias that collectively make up today's National Guard.

No, I do not think we need universal military service. I just think people who do not serve should not have a vote on whether we go to war, directly or indirectly.

We have historically not even come close to that standard even for our presidents. Last real vet was 41 (I do not count 43's occasionally reporting for Guard duty if it suited him). In fact barely half ever served, and far fewer actually served in combatant units, never mind actually saw combat.

[brewster]

I mean whatever dude. Give Texas it's own nukes and freedom from the SCOTUS (not constitutionally derived) and watch as we conquer your pathetic federal union. You're the one that wants to follow the strictest letter of the law with a well regulated militia so give us nukes faggot.

Haha. Reminds me of the old Tom Lehrer song:

We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb

[TheReal_ND]

You are hysterical

well um the amendment never meant citizens should own guns just militia

well akkktually what I meant is that even the idea of a well regulated militia is not what they meant

This is why your gun grabbing side keeps losing. You don't even know wtf you want if it doesnt involve the federal government owning every single gun. You fucking lost this argument centuries ago just walk it off. Be thankful your commie bros are even able to own a fucking firearm you joke of a political persuasion.

Times like this "come and take it" becomes less of a meme and more of a political reality. Even if you owned every court from sunup to sundown you would never ever ever be able to start a mass gun confiscation. Just forget about it dude. You dont want this retarded political zeitgeist. Its DOA

[Speaker to Animals]

The guard is not a militia. Those are federal troops.

The Guard differs with you. http://www.nationalguard.mil/About-the- ... -We-Began/

We recognize December 13th as the birthday of the National Guard. On this date in 1636, the first militia regiments in North America were organized in Massachusetts. Based upon an order of the Massachusetts Bay Colony's General Court, the colony's militia was organized into three permanent regiments to better defend the colony. Today, the descendants of these first regiments - the 181st Infantry, the 182nd Infantry, the 101st Field Artillery, and the 101st Engineer Battalion of the Massachusetts Army National Guard – share the distinction of being the oldest units in the U.S. military. December 13, 1636, thus marks the beginning of the organized militia, and the birth of the National Guard's oldest organized units is symbolic of the founding of all the state, territory, and District of Columbia militias that collectively make up today's National Guard.

No, I do not think we need universal military service. I just think people who do not serve should not have a vote on whether we go to war, directly or indirectly.

We have historically not even come close to that standard even for our presidents. Last real vet was 41 (I do not count 43's occasionally reporting for Guard duty if it suited him). In fact barely half ever served, and far fewer actually served in combatant units, never mind actually saw combat.

I don't give a shit what they say there.

A militia is not a federal unit. Guardsmen wear federal uniforms. They swear oaths to the United States Army and United States Air Force. Those are not militia.

This is an an actual militia (some states still have them):

http://vdf.virginia.gov/


As far as your response to my making the claim that it is morally repugnant for any person to share in sovereignty who does not and will not serve, your response has nothing to do with what I said. The original setup of the United States was a rough match to the exact same principle: only men who were landowners were enfranchised in national sovereignty. Those men also, by virtue of the same enfranchisement criteria, were in the militia.

[Penner]

Getting rid of the 14th Amendment is another dumb move by the RIght and by Trump. Also, no way that Trump can just get rid of it by an EXO.

[Speaker to Animals]

Nobody is getting rid of the 14th amendment. It doesn't even apply any longer since all the former slaves have up and died a long time ago, but whatever.

[Haumana]

Getting rid of the 14th Amendment is another dumb move by the RIght and by Trump. Also, no way that Trump can just get rid of it by an EXO.

But he can force the issue to be argued in front of the Supreme Court for a final ruling on prior lower courts interpretations of the amendment. Can Ginsberg hang in there for that ruling is a fair follow up question. Squat and leave em shouldn't be the law of the land.

[brewster]

You are hysterical

well um the amendment never meant citizens should own guns just militia

well akkktually what I meant is that even the idea of a well regulated militia is not what they meant

This is why your gun grabbing side keeps losing. You don't even know wtf you want if it doesnt involve the federal government owning every single gun. You fucking lost this argument centuries ago just walk it off. Be thankful your commie bros are even able to own a fucking firearm you joke of a political persuasion.

Times like this "come and take it" becomes less of a meme and more of a political reality. Even if you owned every court from sunup to sundown you would never ever ever be able to start a mass gun confiscation. Just forget about it dude. You dont want this retarded political zeitgeist. Its DOA

Have fun with playing with your straw man dolls. Not only did I not say those things, but I only brought it up in the context of saying if you can pitch overboard half an amendment's text and 200 years of precedent of there being a right to regulate arms, originalism mean nothing in actuality, and reinterpreting the Constitution to suit the moment is simply 'in da game', so I don't see any reason Birthright shouldn't be in play. But just remember, pendulums swing both ways and don't whine like children when a Dem administration plays the game like you taught them to.

[Penner]

The 14th Amendment applies to everyone. That is why I can call myself an American with a grandfather who was born in another country.

[TheReal_ND]

You are hysterical

well um the amendment never meant citizens should own guns just militia

well akkktually what I meant is that even the idea of a well regulated militia is not what they meant

This is why your gun grabbing side keeps losing. You don't even know wtf you want if it doesnt involve the federal government owning every single gun. You fucking lost this argument centuries ago just walk it off. Be thankful your commie bros are even able to own a fucking firearm you joke of a political persuasion.

Times like this "come and take it" becomes less of a meme and more of a political reality. Even if you owned every court from sunup to sundown you would never ever ever be able to start a mass gun confiscation. Just forget about it dude. You dont want this retarded political zeitgeist. Its DOA

Have fun with playing with your straw man dolls. Not only did I not say those things, but I only brought it up in the context of saying if you can pitch overboard half an amendment's text and 200 years of precedent of there being a right to regulate arms, originalism mean nothing in actuality, and reinterpreting the Constitution to suit the moment is simply 'in da game', so I don't see any reason Birthright shouldn't be in play. But just remember, pendulums swing both ways and don't whine like children when a Dem administration plays the game like you taught them to.

I can whine if I want to. Until you guys push me off the net altogether. Which is fine. I agree tho, the framers did a piss poor job. Still, dont cey when it takes a century or two before we become Canada regarding gun laws. You could tear out the seam trying to pluck a loose end on that one. Not going to happen. I give it at least two generations before any headway is made on that front.