Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:29 am

Hastur wrote:
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GloryofGreece wrote:
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The correct response:

No, bitch. Statistically women commit rape and sexual assault at a comparable rate to men. Stop lying.

Next question.
At least you made it quite a bit through it right? Im an hour in and I don't remember her saying anything about rape yet.

This is another newer interview and its done in Scandinavia. OF course they are liberal and socialist etc. but at least they are attempting to conversate with him in a decent manner. This will be helpful IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iudkPi4_sY&t=1332s

and here's one I haven't seen yet about "masculinity"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRjp1-DgMuA
Here's the one from the Swedish/Norwegian show Skavlan:



It was painful to watch. We call it "skämskudde" (embarrassment pillow). The feeling when you want to burrow your face in the nearest sofa pillow to take away the embarrassing situation you are witnessing on TV.

Here is a very good dissection. (turn on English subs)

I love words that are not translate into English. Anymore that are cool you could offer.

Saudade and Cafuné, which are Portuguese words. Beautiful really.

How popular is old Peterson in the Great North?
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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

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It's interesting to me that the analysis video clearly assumes Swedish society is the Marxist model, and people there, even politically educated commentators, have no way to recognize liberty, yet when I've proposed the same analysis on this forum, the Swedes here say that it's only a couple of their political Parties that are Marxist.
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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

Post by Hastur » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:40 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:22 am
It's interesting to me that the analysis video clearly assumes Swedish society is the Marxist model, and people there, even politically educated commentators, have no way to recognize liberty, yet when I've proposed the same analysis on this forum, the Swedes here say that it's only a couple of their political Parties that are Marxist.
Are there more Swedes here? I pointed out before that the Swedish language don’t have a word for liberty. It’s a foreign concept. Sweden is thoroughly collectivist. I don’t like the term Marxist. It means to many things. Like feminism it’s almost unusable today.
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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:55 am

Without a label you cannot identify your enemy. If I have to say, "you know those guys who believe 'from those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs,' and don’t believe in personal autonomy,” I've already lost the debate.

p.s. Isn't Otern a Swede? What's Bjorn?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:01 am

My impression is that traditional Swedish culture was strongly communitarian and they had a kind of medieval political correctness about them where they feel deep embarrassment for causing offense or disturbances.

That left the door wide-open for cultural Marxism to invade, and like Martin said, without even words for this phenomenon it can be difficult to combat.

Similar things happen in American culture. I would argue this NPC meme is hitting on a phenomenon for which we have no obvious word, whereby people lose their consciousness and agency, and simply run on a script. With respect to the kinds of people exhibiting this behavior on the left (they are many), it occurs because these people spend so much of their lives consuming mass media, and the media corporations are slowly subverting their agency and free-will. Think back on all the television shows where they moralized some interaction, whereby some obviously bad racist is a stand-in for people with non-racist, but dissenting opinions. The winning response in the television show is a script, and a form of that script is repeated in many different shows. Then when you attempt to explain things to people, such as the danger of demographic replacement, you only hit the trigger event in their programming that elicits that scripted response from them. We do not have a word for this either.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:04 am

Which is why the elites behind the leftist phenomenon freak out when a label for things like SJW, NPC, etc. take the Internet by storm. They don't want us to put a name of this shit. It's probably no different in Scandinavia.

Without enough context or experience in the region, and without more interaction, it is difficult for me to know for sure, but I half suspect we are dealing with just such a scripted response when Bjorn replies that they are not Marxist in Denmark and we don't understand anything about their culture. It's true that probably none of us really understand much about Danish culture (I mean, who would care?). But at the same time, I think it obvious that they are getting infected with this cultural Marxist virus in some form or another.

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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:21 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:55 am
Without a label you cannot identify your enemy. If I have to say, "you know those guys who believe 'from those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs,' and don’t believe in personal autonomy,” I've already lost the debate.

p.s. Isn't Otern a Swede? What's Bjorn?
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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:06 pm

Hastur wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:40 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:22 am
It's interesting to me that the analysis video clearly assumes Swedish society is the Marxist model, and people there, even politically educated commentators, have no way to recognize liberty, yet when I've proposed the same analysis on this forum, the Swedes here say that it's only a couple of their political Parties that are Marxist.
Are there more Swedes here? I pointed out before that the Swedish language don’t have a word for liberty. It’s a foreign concept. Sweden is thoroughly collectivist. I don’t like the term Marxist. It means to many things. Like feminism it’s almost unusable today.
There really is no word or concept in Swedish for personal freedom?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:10 pm

To be fair, we abuse the fuck out of the word freedom. Freedom to do what, and who has that freedom? Freedom in the abstract is a nonsensical term. Oftentimes, freedom for one man to do something means another man must lose his freedom to not participate in it, for instance. Other times, freedom to do some degenerate behavior means people collectively do not have the freedom to live free from the consequences of those decisions, since the consequences get spread about society and are almost never wholly contained to the life of the degenerate. Drug abuse is one of those things.

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Re: Jordan Peterson GQ Interview Video

Post by Fife » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:12 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:06 pm
Hastur wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:40 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:22 am
It's interesting to me that the analysis video clearly assumes Swedish society is the Marxist model, and people there, even politically educated commentators, have no way to recognize liberty, yet when I've proposed the same analysis on this forum, the Swedes here say that it's only a couple of their political Parties that are Marxist.
Are there more Swedes here? I pointed out before that the Swedish language don’t have a word for liberty. It’s a foreign concept. Sweden is thoroughly collectivist. I don’t like the term Marxist. It means to many things. Like feminism it’s almost unusable today.
There really is no word or concept in Swedish for personal freedom?
It's "Fernando," but a girl has to sing it out loud.