Socialism

[Speaker to Animals]

If you want to debate social security, I suggest creating a social security thread and I am sure somebody who actually opposes social security, such as Fife, will debate it with you.

I thought we already threads somewhere about Ponzi schemes and strong-arm theft.

Anyway, I'm game as always.

It's possible to do it where it is self-funding and sustainable, though. The criticism of this particular implementation is valid, but attacking the implementation is not attacking the concept.

[brewster]

You are not actually responding to anything I posted in this thread. If you want to debate social security, I suggest creating a social security thread and I am sure somebody who actually opposes social security, such as Fife, will debate it with you.

Really? SS off-topic in a Socialism thread! I guess that's consistent with the President's Council too. "Nothing to see here, just socialism with a small 's', move along."

[Speaker to Animals]

You are not actually responding to anything I posted in this thread. If you want to debate social security, I suggest creating a social security thread and I am sure somebody who actually opposes social security, such as Fife, will debate it with you.

Really? SS off-topic in a Socialism thread!

Yes. It's off topic and has nothing to do with my posts you responded to.

[brewster]

You are not actually responding to anything I posted in this thread. If you want to debate social security, I suggest creating a social security thread and I am sure somebody who actually opposes social security, such as Fife, will debate it with you.

Really? SS off-topic in a Socialism thread!

Yes. It's off topic and has nothing to do with my posts you responded to.

How can it be off topic since in these 41 pages no one has even come close to defining it, just vilifying it. And no, I have no interest in discussing your gender theories.

[Speaker to Animals]

Really? SS off-topic in a Socialism thread!

Yes. It's off topic and has nothing to do with my posts you responded to.

How can it be off topic since in these 41 pages no one has even come close to defining it, just vilifying it. And no, I have no interest in discussing your gender theories.

Socialism as it is espoused by the democratic party's base is the socialization of the means of production via state power.

[brewster]

Socialism as it is espoused by the democratic party's base is the socialization of the means of production via state power.

Citation please, not of that common definition, but of any mainstream Democrat advocating seizure of industrial production.

[Speaker to Animals]

Socialism as it is espoused by the democratic party's base is the socialization of the means of production via state power.

Citation please, not of that common definition, but of any mainstream Democrat advocating seizure of industrial production.

Single payer health insurance (mandatory and universal).
Socialized hospital systems as the alternative to the above.
Socialize the oil industry.
Socialized alternative energy industry.


One crypto-socialist idea I have seen espoused in this forum repeatedly -- though at this late hour before bed, the best article I can find in a brief search was from a fellow leftist in the UK here -- comes down to effectively socializing education by banning private schools. As it stands, education is half-socialized now because families are forced to pay huge costs for shitty government schools even if they also spend money to send their kids to real schools. That's not good enough for many democrats. They hate the fact that their government schools compare as shit to private schools and want those private schools shut down.

There are literally thousands of videos of interviews with the average democrat voter on the street where they talk about socializing every God damned business they have to work at or deal with.




I don't even think you seriously wanted an answer to this question.

[GloryofGreece]

You only supported my point. When we protected the American worker, the middle class grew substantially. All those men in the mid-twentieth century working middle class jobs were tax payers. Women got married and generally stayed that way, not becoming wards of a socialist state as about half of the female millennial mothers have becone.

What protected the American worker was unions & SS, both socialistic, in addition to pre-Friedman (shareholder profit above all) corporations behaving like part of the community. So how is socialism bad then?

SS not so much. It protected people when they grew old, but by then they probably paid far more taxes than they ever got back in social security checks.

You are throwing programs at me as some kind of counter argument that either support my case or are irrelevant.

When men had good jobs, they paid into the system through taxes. Women were married young and raised kids at home. When women remain married beyond the terrible early thirties, they tend to stay that way. Married women with a supporting husband and kids to raise generally do not vote for degeneracy (socialism and the current democratic party).

Men with access to relatively virtuous and monogamous wives to make families with tend to not support this bullshit either. Most of these young men are doing this because they are weak and a majority of young women are whoring themselves out and living off stolen resources from men. It's just a pathetic mating strategy.

I would not conflate this with your liberal politics. We might or might not agree on something of that stuff, but there is nothing degenerate about social security and unions. That is not socializing the means of production and wealth redistribution either.

I've said this before but I'll say it again. I think we agree on almost every significant political, social, cultural issue. The two notable exceptions I think are, 1) I believe you think only the warrior class should have the ability to vote *(i don't know if make allowances for the priestly class or working class (?) and 2) I think you believe most women are inherently dishonest and degenerate?

If I've been with the same woman from 18 to 32 I guess we are good odds wise? Reading your post on family/divorce/ marriage/child support etc. makes me pessimistic but when I go off what I intuitively feel and the stats for white college educated divorce rates I feel more optimistic.

[heydaralon]

If you want to debate social security, I suggest creating a social security thread and I am sure somebody who actually opposes social security, such as Fife, will debate it with you.

I thought we already threads somewhere about Ponzi schemes and strong-arm theft.

Anyway, I'm game as always.

Just fyi dude, brewster has fronted like they saw the film Lady Bird, but they did not. If they are willing to lie about that, what else would they fudge the narrative on?

[TheReal_ND]

Notice when I called out jews for being overwhelmingly represented in communism the jew said they were capitalist too and preceded to run away at full speed.




National Socialism now.
National Socialism forever.

What really sticks in my craw the most is that jews have this with all of our blessings in Israel and they refuse to fucking leave us alone while they unload their "refugees" on western countries. I think I could forgive everything else but this. There is nothing a jew could say short of his willingness to help me repel the invaders to my home nation that would help me get over my learned antisemitism. Lucky for them I guess Miller really seems to hate spics. I guess not all jews are synagogue of satan.