Liberty vs. Democracy

[Martin Hash]

Dude, you are still reading too much into it. Human immediate goals are base: envy, lust, anger, fear, etc. All the long term goals are to increase status and control because those lead to mating.

Liberty simply allows meritocracy. Meritocracy thrives in Capitalism. Capitalism, mathematically certain, concentrates wealth, power & opportunity. Losers in the liberty/meritocracy/Capitialism game (The Patriarchy) want to change the status quo, which means changing the rules. Slave Morality says that the new rules will be the opposite of the old rules.

This is a straight-line deduction that starts at testosterone, adrenalin, cortisol, dopamine, nicotine & serotonin.

[Speaker to Animals]

Dude, you are still reading too much into it. Human immediate goals are base: envy, lust, anger, fear, etc. All the long term goals are to increase status and control because those lead to mating.

Liberty simply allows meritocracy. Meritocracy thrives in Capitalism. Capitalism, mathematically certain, concentrates wealth, power & opportunity. Losers in the liberty/meritocracy/Capitialism game (The Patriarchy) want to change the status quo, which means changing the rules. Slave Morality says that the new rules will be the opposite of the old rules.

This is a straight-line deduction that starts at testosterone, adrenalin, cortisol, dopamine, nicotine & serotonin.

Liberty derives from philosophical reasoning, not from human nature.

Nor is it some universal good. Literally nobody actually believes that. We might say "shall not be infringed", but we sure as shit don't want paranoid schizophrenics buying semi-automatic sporting rifles.

Somebody might say "democracy is a self-evident good", but they wouldn't recognize a popular vote to enslave a minority of people.

It's dishonest to yourself to speak in mythological language like that.

It also doesn't describe our current situation AT ALL. These beta males do not want to drastically limit the freedom of speech and the right to bear arms because they don't value "Liberty". They support those things because they are generally weak males with low testosterone, and they are signaling their agreement with female social values as a mating strategy. That's all it is. I think it is you who think too much into it, but it's natural because we all were raised in a civic nationalist culture that reinforced the idea that politics is really a philosophical and ideological contest when it clearly is not.

Look at the street battles between Proud Boys and Antifa. What do you see when comparing males?

I shit you not, give me a random sampling of Antifa males, force them to go to the gym, put them through some training to get a professional career, and you will see a significant number of them renounce the Marxism.

[Speaker to Animals]

We are just animals doing animal things and rationalizing it with ideological excuses after the fact.

If Lion People were a thing, the weak male lions would be talking about socializing the pride and dividing up the females for all the males instead of just the strongest male getting all the sex. But they are just doing their animal thing, same as ever, only their newfound intellect makes excuses for everything.

[Martin Hash]

It totally explains what is happening. Losers are trying to kick over the apple cart.

Of course, liberty & Capitialism are high-order concepts. My god, Capitialism relies on the high-order concept of money derivitives like stock and insurance. Like democracy; Capitialism is simply a good fit with liberty, not the goal - the goal is liberty.

Jeffersonian liberty is limited by the liberty of others.

Where my UNIQUE philosophy comes in is in the Most Liberty to Most People context. Libertarians are Most Liberty to whoever gets there first, and Nouveau Aristocrats and Tories are Most Liberty to the King & nobles.

[GloryofGreece]

Does religion not temper emotion? Do you believe in righteous truth? Do you believe you should help the weak?

[Martin Hash]

Altruism & conscientiousness are inheritable for obvious reasons. Everyone has a mix. They are not mutually exclusive and don’t even correlate. Those with more conscientiousness are conservative. When altruism rules, those people seem irrational to conscientious people.

What you’re talking about is in the realm of altruism.

p.s. Altruism generates dopamine which is why people do it.

[TheReal_ND]

Does religion not temper emotion? Do you believe in righteous truth? Do you believe you should help the weak?

THE LORD SAYETH SEPARATE THE CHAD FROM THE WEAK AND IF WE FOLLOW HIS LAWS OUR CHILDREN WILL OUTNUMBER THE STARS

[GloryofGreece]

Altruism & conscientiousness are inheritable for obvious reasons. Everyone has a mix. They are not mutually exclusive and don’t even correlate. Those with more conscientiousness are conservative. When altruism rules, those people seem irrational to conscientious people.



What you’re talking about is in the realm of altruism.

p.s. Altruism generates dopamine which is why people do it.

Do you not believe in free will? Biological determinism isn't the be all end all.

[Martin Hash]

Altruism & conscientiousness are inheritable for obvious reasons. Everyone has a mix. They are not mutually exclusive and don’t even correlate. Those with more conscientiousness are conservative. When altruism rules, those people seem irrational to conscientious people.



What you’re talking about is in the realm of altruism.

p.s. Altruism generates dopamine which is why people do it.

Do you not believe in free will? Biological determinism isn't the be all end all.

Twins don’t grow up to be the same but they’re similar, and twins separated at birth can be really different.

[TheReal_ND]

I suppose being a barren radical centrist individualist philosopher must be the be all end all then.