If Any Female Wants to Post

[Martin Hash]

Thank you, Kath.

Personally, I never forced myself on a girl, though I've had several come at me, and none of my friends have either (that I know of). Could be I was different, or that the 10% of creeps out there are responsible for all the cases.

You've already heard me talk about 7th Grade gym a lot. I think that would be a better comparison to what women went through. Life's a bitch.

As for the nomination: he should just have been confirmed, period. He wasn't Robert Bork, for chrissakes.

[Zlaxer]

...the Republicans pretend to want to curtail spending and reduce government size, but (big but,) only when Democrats are in charge. Once team R gets control, it's spending like drunken sailor time.

Notice I didn't speak in terms of R and D...rather Right and Left - I'll stick to collectivists vs libertarian. FUCK THE GOP.

*I'm a moderate libertarian - I try to have as much liberty as possible without falling on my sword like Fife.

[MilSpecs]

I, personally, do not know any women my age or older who were not subjected to some sort of sexual harassment, stalking or rape in the 70's, 80's and/or early 90's. This has gotten much, MUCH better.

I was sexually harassed at my first two workplaces; not anywhere else. Unwanted hands rubbing on shoulders or unwanted fingers crawling up skirts was not pleasant when the person doing it is in a position of power over me. Most women felt that way. There was nobody to complain to back then. It was deal or quit. I loathe unwanted attention and back then, I was a virgin. It was creepy to have 40 and 50 year old men giving me that sort of physical attention.

A friend of mine was required to work with a board member once a month. She would throw up those mornings, before work, because he wouldn't keep his hands off of her. When she complained to her boss, she was told the board member was more valuable than her, so she could quit or tolerate. Those were her choices, so she ended up quitting when he started to get too close to the "goods" while he was going up her skirt.

I was date-raped once, but I didn't complain because during that time, it was always the woman's fault if raped on a date. It wasn't even an option to consider. Remember, these years were not too far from the years when husbands could not be found guilty of raping their wives. I blamed myself, because that was the mindset that was instilled into us back then; women were not to be believed.

The #metoo movement is in response to that. It got carried away, though, because the casting couch was a known entity going back to the 1930's. It is unfair that women had to lie on their backs to get a job, but they chose it. It's a tough one, because if that's the life you wanted, that was the entry fee. So, were they complicit? Sure, they could have given up their dream.... what a shitty choice. To complain, now, is silly, but I have no issue with it being brought up, merely to point to how far we've come.

Now, regarding the Clown Show that is our judicial approval process. It is entirely possible she is telling A truth, but Feinstein handled this like the clown she is and didn't take it seriously, herself, so it's hard to take the entire accusation seriously. Sexual assault at parties like that 30 years ago is not hard to believe, though, without even knowing any facts. Again, this happened to me at the Superbowl party I threw in 1985 (Bears 46, Pats 10,)
but I got away before it got too far and I had a male friend throw him out.

I don't remember very many details of when I was date raped. We were drinking. All I remember is pushing him away and saying no no no. He apologized the next morning without my prompting, so he was aware he got carried away. We went our separate ways. Other than what house we were at, I couldn't tell you any other details.

Again, this kind of stuff was normal for women.

All that said, I do not believe that we should ever hold someone's actions of the past to today's cultural norms. This kind of "going too far," thing was normal back then. This is why she didn't report it. The statute of limitations is up.

This.

[Kath]

Personally, I never forced myself on a girl, though I've had several come at me, and none of my friends have either (that I know of). Could be I was different, or that the 10% of creeps out there are responsible for all the cases.

Most men didn't, Martin. To say something was normal doesn't mean I believe it was most men. I absolutely have witnessed women throwing themselves at men who don't want it. For the most part, men have more ability to stave off a woman than a woman a man. And, as to this issue, men should be ashamed of themselves for shaming fellow men who get attacked by women. It's pathetic.

As to Kavanaugh, yes, Trump won so his choice. Still, though, I would have appreciated a conversation about his views on the 4th, rather than his views on farting.

[MilSpecs]

@MilSpec - this fight is much bigger than abortion rights. It's about the role of government. one group wants limited government - the other wants massive government.

You're going to fall on your sword for abortion when it's going to result in your other rights being eviscerated.

Do you not see the disconnect? The integrity of our persons is an inalienable right. Limited government is hands-off the body.

[Zlaxer]

Personally, I never forced myself on a girl, though I've had several come at me, and none of my friends have either (that I know of). Could be I was different, or that the 10% of creeps out there are responsible for all the cases.

Most men didn't, Martin. To say something was normal doesn't mean I believe it was most men. I absolutely have witnessed women throwing themselves at men who don't want it. For the most part, men have more ability to stave off a woman than a woman a man. And, as to this issue, men should be ashamed of themselves for shaming fellow men who get attacked by women. It's pathetic.

As to Kavanaugh, yes, Trump won so his choice. Still, though, I would have appreciated a conversation about his views on the 4th, rather than his views on farting.

I asked in another thread why everyone here was so giddy about Kavanaugh. It basically come down to beating back the DNC marxists.

[Kath]

*I'm a moderate libertarian - I try to have as much liberty as possible without falling on my sword like Fife.

Me too. I'm Libertarian up to the point they go to crazytown. I just want everyone to get the fuck out of everyone else's way and let them live their lives, up and to the point they interfere with your ability to live your life.

None of my main issues with government are related to cake baking, abortions, health care or bathrooms.

[Zlaxer]

@MilSpec - this fight is much bigger than abortion rights. It's about the role of government. one group wants limited government - the other wants massive government.

You're going to fall on your sword for abortion when it's going to result in your other rights being eviscerated.

Do you not see the disconnect? The integrity of our persons is an inalienable right. Limited government is hands-off the body.

Where did I say I was anti-abortion - I am personally against it - but it's not for the government to decide. Line is too blurry IMHO....I crushed a skin cell - did I just abort my clone?

I think I'd be OK with banning (with medical exceptions) abortions after the 20 week mark. Fetus is pretty developed by then.

[Kath]

I asked in another thread why everyone here was so giddy about Kavanaugh. It basically come down to beating back the DNC marxists.

It's important to remember that 60% of the country knew whether or not he was qualified before Trump announced the pick. Once he announced, it confirmed they were right about what they believed before the pick, even though they had never heard his name until that moment.

I'd also add that very few people in this country are qualified to know if he is qualified.

[Martin Hash]

Personally, I never forced myself on a girl, though I've had several come at me, and none of my friends have either (that I know of). Could be I was different, or that the 10% of creeps out there are responsible for all the cases.

Most men didn't, Martin. To say something was normal doesn't mean I believe it was most men. I absolutely have witnessed women throwing themselves at men who don't want it. For the most part, men have more ability to stave off a woman than a woman a man. And, as to this issue, men should be ashamed of themselves for shaming fellow men who get attacked by women. It's pathetic.

As to Kavanaugh, yes, Trump won so his choice. Still, though, I would have appreciated a conversation about his views on the 4th, rather than his views on farting.

Got it. Agree & agree.