Marxism Never Died, It Just Went Underground

[Martin Hash]

StA calls America's founding "cancer" because liberty defeated theocracy.

[Speaker to Animals]

OMG lol. Straw man isn't going to save your fallacious argument from mythos.

I think Martin invented a new fallacy.

[Speaker to Animals]

"America was founded on honesty because George Washington, as everybody knows, never told a lie."

[Hwen Hoshino]

"America was founded on honesty because George Washington, as everybody knows, never told a lie."

America was founded on the understanding that man is a dishonest sinner hence the First, the Second and the Fourth.

I do not oppose a merchant class's existence at all. I think it is healthy to have one.

What I oppose is rule by merchants. I do not think the merchant class should retain political power at all.

Political power should only be wielded by the military class with the consent of the property owners. The warriors actually carry out the political will, risking their lives in the process, and the property owners have to financially support the political will. Everything beyond that is bullshit. If you aren't paying for it, and you aren't fighting for it, then just go home and worry about something else.

And why the fuck would property owners give their consent in 2018?

[Speaker to Animals]

"America was founded on honesty because George Washington, as everybody knows, never told a lie."

America was founded on the understanding that man is a dishonest sinner hence the First, the Second and the Fourth.

There was no single founding intent. America was four separate nations with different intents. They evolved and were unified under a universal myth in the twentieth century, but that myth is -- historically -- nothing but so much moonshine.

[Hwen Hoshino]

"America was founded on honesty because George Washington, as everybody knows, never told a lie."

America was founded on the understanding that man is a dishonest sinner hence the First, the Second and the Fourth.

There was no single founding intent. America was four separate nations with different intents. They evolved and were unified under a universal myth in the twentieth century, but that myth is -- historically -- nothing but so much moonshine.

I prefer the last 100, 200 years to the rest of history. What sicko would not?

[Speaker to Animals]

America was founded on the understanding that man is a dishonest sinner hence the First, the Second and the Fourth.

There was no single founding intent. America was four separate nations with different intents. They evolved and were unified under a universal myth in the twentieth century, but that myth is -- historically -- nothing but so much moonshine.

I prefer the last 100, 200 years to the rest of history. What sicko would not?

Possibly the kind of sickos who see modernity for what it is.

[DBTrek]

That kind of barbarism was par for the course through most of human history. Going back further than 200 years isn’t going to save you from mass slaughter. In fact, it will only normalize it.

[Speaker to Animals]

That kind of barbarism was par for the course through most of human history. Going back further than 200 years isn’t going to save you from mass slaughter. In fact, it will only normalize it.

Eh.. debatable.

Body counts rose dramatically with the Enlightenment.

You might argue that was just the effect of industrialization, which would have happened under our previous aristocratic system (and in some places did), but I could counter it was the actual devaluing of human beings and subordination of people to state and ideology that was the exacerbating factor.

For European peoples, anyway. The lack of honor and animus towards civilians we saw arise in the Enlightenment was SOP for other civilizations.

[DBTrek]

Genghis Khan, bro.

Human life had almost no value until the Enlightenment.
Even then, enlightenment-level human value pales in comparison to modern norms.