Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:13 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:11 am
What about the show from Alpha Centuri?
If you travel the speed of light, time collapses to a single moment. You will not be watching anything.

Another way of looking at it: the universe appears to shrink down to a point.
There's some gobbly-goop.

You can watch the show from Alpha Centuri.

Light is directional and has energy which is why it gets included as a particle but it's not a particle (no mass), it's a wave. Other wave transmissions in the electromagnetic portion of the spectrum are not as directional so they are not confused with particles.
Our eyes, and mechanical sensors, receive these waves distorted by the direction they are coming from. That distortion gets confused by almost everyone as something more than it is. They write complex math equations that they THINK represent the distortion, then rely on the faulty math to prove wild claims. It's actually a lot simpler than that; Einstein's train explanation was all I needed as a kid to grok it. His General Theory went off the rails.
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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:24 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:13 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:11 am
What about the show from Alpha Centuri?
If you travel the speed of light, time collapses to a single moment. You will not be watching anything.

Another way of looking at it: the universe appears to shrink down to a point.
There's some gobbly-goop.

You can watch the show from Alpha Centuri.

Light is directional and has energy which is why it gets included as a particle but it's not a particle, it's a wave. Other wave transmissions in the electromagnetic portion of the spectrum are not as directional so they are not confused with particles.
Our eyes and mechanical sensors receive these waves distorted by the direction they are coming from. That distortion gets confused by almost everyone as something more than it is. They write complex math equations that they THINK represent the distortion, then rely on the faulty math to prove wild claims. It's actually a lot simpler than that; Einstein's train explanation was all I needed as a kid to grok it. His General Theory went off the rails.
Einstein is "gobbly-goop"?? LOL. Okay.

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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:09 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:13 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:11 am
What about the show from Alpha Centuri?
If you travel the speed of light, time collapses to a single moment. You will not be watching anything.

Another way of looking at it: the universe appears to shrink down to a point.
There's some gobbly-goop.

You can watch the show from Alpha Centuri.

Light is directional and has energy which is why it gets included as a particle but it's not a particle (no mass), it's a wave. Other wave transmissions in the electromagnetic portion of the spectrum are not as directional so they are not confused with particles.
Our eyes, and mechanical sensors, receive these waves distorted by the direction they are coming from. That distortion gets confused by almost everyone as something more than it is. They write complex math equations that they THINK represent the distortion, then rely on the faulty math to prove wild claims. It's actually a lot simpler than that; Einstein's train explanation was all I needed as a kid to grok it. His General Theory went off the rails.
Agreed, but you won't be watching the show, traveling at lightspeed.

You'll get a double-speed viewing of 8 years worth of tv as you approach Alpha Centauri (for 4 years), then single frame as you move past it.
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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Fife » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:11 am

Yasssss bro, throw in some chez sticks

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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:11 am

I agree but the space ship is passing perpendicular to AC so the (4 year old) show will play at regular speed.
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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:18 am

A photon travels to it's destination anywhere in the universe in exactly zero seconds in it's own frame of reference.

This is the consequence of general relativity.

Consider what that means for a hypothetical spaceship somehow traveling that speed.. How much of your favorite pozzed television show can you watch in zero seconds?

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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:29 am

Those jokers that fly airplanes around the world real fast then claim they've proved time travel (or dilation, whatever you want to call it) have only proved that the speed of light is constant and that their onboard measuring equipment didn't take that into account. (How could it?)

Here's a way to check:
A bullet shoots two rays of light, one back and one forward along its path. Measure the time each ray was received at either end of the path; the total will be the same time it takes a single ray of light to get from one receiver to the next. If time was different in the bullet, that wouldn't be the case.

If the bullet continuously shot rays, beams of light, and measurements were continually made at the receivers, the time since the bullet started at one receiver and ended at the other would HAVE TO BE THE SAME as the time in the bullet because the bullet is shooting the beams.
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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:39 am

If you think you can falsify general relativity, then my suggestion is to write a paper and submit it to an appropriate journal for peer review.

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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Martin Hash » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:42 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:39 am
If you think you can falsify general relativity, then my suggestion is to write a paper and submit it to an appropriate journal for peer review.
Dude, I have 3 doctorates, and am the only simultaneously licensed doctor, lawyer, accountant & engineer in the the world, and that gives me no credibility. Getting another doctorate will add exactly zero to that credibility. I need to be famous, and when I'm famous, doctorates in anything are gold, and apply to all fields.
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Re: Relativity is Relatively Misunderstood

Post by Fife » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:29 am
Those jokers that fly airplanes around the world real fast then claim they've proved time travel (or dilation, whatever you want to call it) have only proved that the speed of light is constant and that their onboard measuring equipment didn't take that into account. (How could it?)

Here's a way to check:
A bullet shoots two rays of light, one back and one forward along its path. Measure the time each ray was received at either end of the path; the total will be the same time it takes a single ray of light to get from one receiver to the next. If time was different in the bullet, that wouldn't be the case.

If the bullet continuously shot rays, beams of light, and measurements were continually made at the receivers, the time since the bullet started at one receiver and ended at the other would HAVE TO BE THE SAME as the time in the bullet because the bullet is shooting the beams.

What is the speed of your bullet? What is its mass?

What does it look like to you as a stationary observer right before you fire it off? What does it look like to you as you make your measurements after it is in motion?