Trump's SCOTUS

[clubgop]

And you personally have to be called on the carpet here. If you had your way Gorsuch would not be on the court today.

There have been numerous times over the years where you have accused me of having an opinion I don't have. My typical response has been, "Feel free to quote where I said that, but you'll be looking a long time, as I never did."

This is one of those times.

You need only look at the beginning of this very thread.

He needs eight D senators on board or it's a no go.

Yes. Refusing to do the job is different from voting no. This isn't rocket science. Did the Senate go through confirmation hearings during Obama's last year? No, they did not. That's refusing to do the job.

Yep, both parties are playing politics on this issue. The Dems are going to lose, it's simply numbers. The GOP is in the drivers seat all across the country. The country has revolted against the BHO/Dem vision of the future.

Carlus, you need 60 senators to confirm SCOTUS.

Not sure what you mean. I wasn't complaining about the nominee; I don't know anything except what Fife posted, so I don't have an opinion yet. He may be fabulous.

Stating that you need 60 votes is not controversial. It's just an actual fact; not the alternative kind. They'll need some Ds to agree with the pick. The D's don't have to side with the R's because the Rs control the Senate. That's not how it works. You don't know this?

Are you intimating there is no way a Democrat will vote for a Trump nomination to the Supreme Court ?

I know, 60 votes.
Again, It's all about numbers. The GOP was able to hold the replacement for Scalia after he died of 'natural causes'. simply because the GOP had the numbers. The GOP will win this, they will get their 60 votes.

Nope. I didn't say that. I'm pointing out that the SCOTUS pick would be far more loony if the R team had 60 Senators. He has to have a semi-sane pick if he's going to get to 60.

Filibuster is an abuse of procedure. Has no place in American government.

Props to the GOP on going nuclear, now if only they had the balls to kill the Senate Filibuster altogether.

Right, because tyranny of the majority is one of our founding principles.

There is more post of you supporting the filibuster on nominees and supporting the dems when they triggered the Nuclear option but not the R when they retaliated in kind. Gorsuch or no nominee could meet the 60 vote threshold you supported the threshold therefore you were aginst Gorsuch.

Undercover hack bitch or useful Idiot? Choose one.

[pineapplemike]

trump is more pro-liberty than the marxists, but not as pro-liberty as rand paul. finding out where he lies specifically is difficult due to his lack of constitutional principles at all

[C-Mag]

You guys don't realize how much stolen Liberty you just got back by Trump killing NAFTA...……… quoting myself from the Trade War thread.

It looks like to me that the US quietly won the Trade War with Canada and Mexico............. am I wrong ?

NAFTA is dead. And that is extremely good for your personal Liberty, because it restores US Soveriegnty.
Here's a few broad programs you have been Liberated from.
~International treaties on the rights of children
~International treaties on the rights of women
~International free trade agreements
~International treaties on the environment

and some specific
~ US Troops no longer need be under the command of foreign officers
~ The US gained back sole control of 50 Million Acres of US land, such as Yellowstone Park which had been subject to a bunch of UN Biodiversity politicicians
~ We gain back full control of places designated as UNESCO Heritage sites

This is rare, and should be appreciated. We have gained back Liberties for US citizens from International Politicians.

[pineapplemike]

yeah ive been meaning to check out the details on that deal. why doesnt it have a flashy trump-branded name to get my attention?

[clubgop]

trump is more pro-liberty than the marxists, but not as pro-liberty as rand paul. finding out where he lies specifically is difficult due to his lack of constitutional principles at all

Not a bad sum up. And at this point I will take the malleable versus the constitutionally belligerent.

[C-Mag]

yeah ive been meaning to check out the details on that deal. why doesnt it have a flashy trump-branded name to get my attention?

Yeah, it should have a catchy name. The USMCA makes me think of leathernecks.

The big deal is we have Liberties back that were taken away from us 25 years ago. A thing I didn't think could happen

[Kath]

You need only look at the beginning of this very thread.

So now stating the facts about what is, is offering an opionion?

I admitted that I didn't know much about him, that's offering an opinion?

I don't review talking points memos to tell me what to think. The day he got nominated, 60~ish % of the country knew exactly what kind of man he is. (by knew, I mean they made their decision purely on their opinion of Trump, without any facts whatsoever or even knowledge that this man existed.

I've never said a word against Gorsuch, but I did read about him and watched. I think he was a great choice, in hindsight.

Face it, there are, percentage wise, almost no people qualified to have a credible opinion on who does/doesn't make a good judge. I read articles from lawyers & judges. I tend to trust Napolitano, though he did flip flop on Kavanaugh.

So, go find me a post where I said something negative about Gorsuch or actively stated he shouldn't be appointed. Otherwise, you have nothing but my asking questions and discussing process.

[Kath]

BUT, thanks to Trump winning, the possibility of a Rand Paul type candidate winning a Presidential election are suddenly very real.

The Libertarians are hated in this country. It's not hard to see why. At their 2016 convention, they had some guy dancing around naked on stage. Freedom of speech is good, but unless you are Trump, you need to appear serious and thoughtful. (Not thoughtful polite, but reflective.)

I will vote Libertarian wherever possible. I refuse to support the corrupt system we have. I get that it's pointless, but so is voting. We end up with corrupt or corrupt. I don't care which version. I do like that we go back and forth, however. It keeps us from going too far backwards and way too far forward. I believe this is why the middle decide elections. We all hate both, so they let the teams take turns.

[Speaker to Animals]

They are hated for good reason.

[pineapplemike]