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Re: Venezuela news

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:13 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:53 am
Reliance on a single export is really bad, but oil prices alone cannot account for what happened there. Lots of nations are basically Arrakis economies and they are not starving and descending into utter chaos.

Even with respect to their oil industry, Venezuelans fucked themselves by stealing assets and resources from oil companies and reneging on contracts whenever they thought it convenient. That fucked them perhaps more than anything else.

What socialists often do not grasp is that a complex society requires trust and reliability. If a nation is likely to just violate contracts whenever it suits them, then who is going to invest in that economy? Nobody in their right mind, that's who.
...which is exactly why deficits matter.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by Montegriffo » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:44 am

The Conservative wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:07 am
pineapplemike wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:09 am
The Conservative wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:18 pm


Read that last bit of your statement... “even if both are true...”

Seriously? If both are true, and socialism killed their oil industry... then the answer is still “socialism”.
youre like the kid in class that just writes down the answer without showing any of their work. sure youre right but it doesnt show any specific insight. not sure why this is so hard to grasp
Actually, there is a full amount of reasons why it didn’t work, and has been explained here multiple times. Which can be summed up in one word.

Socialism.
For pity's sake, someone take TC's spade off him.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by The Conservative » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:46 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:13 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:53 am
Reliance on a single export is really bad, but oil prices alone cannot account for what happened there. Lots of nations are basically Arrakis economies and they are not starving and descending into utter chaos.

Even with respect to their oil industry, Venezuelans fucked themselves by stealing assets and resources from oil companies and reneging on contracts whenever they thought it convenient. That fucked them perhaps more than anything else.

What socialists often do not grasp is that a complex society requires trust and reliability. If a nation is likely to just violate contracts whenever it suits them, then who is going to invest in that economy? Nobody in their right mind, that's who.
...which is exactly why deficits matter.
They do, but if push comes to shove, the US could pay off all its debt in a few years.

While countries that have attempted socialism, can’t.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by The Conservative » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:46 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:44 am
The Conservative wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:07 am
pineapplemike wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:09 am

youre like the kid in class that just writes down the answer without showing any of their work. sure youre right but it doesnt show any specific insight. not sure why this is so hard to grasp
Actually, there is a full amount of reasons why it didn’t work, and has been explained here multiple times. Which can be summed up in one word.

Socialism.
For pity's sake, someone take TC's spade off him.
Tell me, how’s China?
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:53 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:13 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:53 am
Reliance on a single export is really bad, but oil prices alone cannot account for what happened there. Lots of nations are basically Arrakis economies and they are not starving and descending into utter chaos.

Even with respect to their oil industry, Venezuelans fucked themselves by stealing assets and resources from oil companies and reneging on contracts whenever they thought it convenient. That fucked them perhaps more than anything else.

What socialists often do not grasp is that a complex society requires trust and reliability. If a nation is likely to just violate contracts whenever it suits them, then who is going to invest in that economy? Nobody in their right mind, that's who.
...which is exactly why deficits matter.
Deficits do matter, but this has fuck all to do with deficits. To build a rich and complex economy, businesses must rely upon contracts and have trust in the government. Venezuela cares fuck all about contracts and has a long record of stealing from foreign companies. That is why they have no investment. Nobody is going to grow into the Venezuelan economy with that regime in power.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:58 am

The Conservative wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:46 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:13 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:53 am
Reliance on a single export is really bad, but oil prices alone cannot account for what happened there. Lots of nations are basically Arrakis economies and they are not starving and descending into utter chaos.

Even with respect to their oil industry, Venezuelans fucked themselves by stealing assets and resources from oil companies and reneging on contracts whenever they thought it convenient. That fucked them perhaps more than anything else.

What socialists often do not grasp is that a complex society requires trust and reliability. If a nation is likely to just violate contracts whenever it suits them, then who is going to invest in that economy? Nobody in their right mind, that's who.
...which is exactly why deficits matter.
They do, but if push comes to shove, the US could pay off all its debt in a few years.

While countries that have attempted socialism, can’t.
HAAAAAAAAAAAA good one

We’re projected to be issuing bonds to pay the interest on our bonds by 2020.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by The Conservative » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:14 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:58 am
The Conservative wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:46 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:13 am


...which is exactly why deficits matter.
They do, but if push comes to shove, the US could pay off all its debt in a few years.

While countries that have attempted socialism, can’t.
HAAAAAAAAAAAA good one

We’re projected to be issuing bonds to pay the interest on our bonds by 2020.
Do the math.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:21 am

We could pay it off in less than ten years, no problem.

What fucking kills us the combination of a budget deficit (growing debt obligations) and a trade deficit (export nations accumulating our debt in the form of cash reserves and those public debt notes).
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by The Conservative » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:22 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:21 am
We could pay it off in less than ten years, no problem.
That’s the point... socialists think we can’t.
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Re: Venezuela news

Post by pineapplemike » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:29 am

how do we pay off the national debt with no problems?