End of “The Church”

[brewster]

The Bible is just a book.

Have you read it? Most of the people doing awful things in it's name are really just following the script inside. God's a real prick fairly often, and has to be talked out of doing even worse things than he did. We just read on Rosh Hashonah about God telling Abraham he's gotta dump his wife Hagar and son Ishmael in the desert to die. And then there's the stuff people did (do) in his name, like genocide. Try Genesis 34, where Dinah, Jacob's daughter, is raped, and the guy want's to marry her. So Jacob says he and his clan need to get circumcised.

25 Three days later the men who had been circumcised were still weak from pain. So Simeon and Levi, two of Dinah’s brothers, attacked with their swords and killed every man in town, 26 including Hamor and Shechem. Then they took Dinah and left. 27 Jacob’s other sons came and took everything they wanted. All this was done because of the horrible thing that had happened to their sister. 28 They took sheep, goats, donkeys, and everything else that was in the town or the fields. 29 After taking everything of value from the houses, they dragged away the wives and children of their victims.

Cool huh? Just a book? Playbook, sure.

[ssu]

No State religion in the US...……. but I would argue that your theory has some glaring opposition proof out there you might want to consider. The State religion of most of the Middle East is Islam, last I checked not a huge atheist movement in those countries in the last say 100 years.

Notice that I mentioned "in Christianity".

Islam has no problem when it is a state religion, Christianity does have in the modern era. The fact is that basically the various Christianity is basically clueless in it's role especially in the Western countries were state religion exists. Here as the state religion Lutherism, we don't have any problems in priests being homosexuals and pedophiles as in those branches of Christianity where priest cannot marry women. Clerical celibacy just attracts perverts like a magnet. Yet in the modern society a state Church lacks direction and authority as it's just a peculiar branch of the state in which politicians rule.

Now in the US all the various churches and religious movements have to compete to get their flock of followers and their income. That makes them have a totally different attitude than a state Church where basically the salaries of the clergy will be paid no matter how few go actually to church.

[GloryofGreece]

The Bible is just a book.

Have you read it? Most of the people doing awful things in it's name are really just following the script inside. God's a real prick fairly often, and has to be talked out of doing even worse things than he did. We just read on Rosh Hashonah about God telling Abraham he's gotta dump his wife Hagar and son Ishmael in the desert to die. And then there's the stuff people did (do) in his name, like genocide. Try Genesis 34, where Dinah, Jacob's daughter, is raped, and the guy want's to marry her. So Jacob says he and his clan need to get circumcised.

25 Three days later the men who had been circumcised were still weak from pain. So Simeon and Levi, two of Dinah’s brothers, attacked with their swords and killed every man in town, 26 including Hamor and Shechem. Then they took Dinah and left. 27 Jacob’s other sons came and took everything they wanted. All this was done because of the horrible thing that had happened to their sister. 28 They took sheep, goats, donkeys, and everything else that was in the town or the fields. 29 After taking everything of value from the houses, they dragged away the wives and children of their victims.

Cool huh? Just a book? Playbook, sure.

Do you ever read the New Testament? It's cool to.

[HarryK]

The Bible is just a book.

Have you read it? Most of the people doing awful things in it's name are really just following the script inside. God's a real prick fairly often, and has to be talked out of doing even worse things than he did. We just read on Rosh Hashonah about God telling Abraham he's gotta dump his wife Hagar and son Ishmael in the desert to die. And then there's the stuff people did (do) in his name, like genocide. Try Genesis 34, where Dinah, Jacob's daughter, is raped, and the guy want's to marry her. So Jacob says he and his clan need to get circumcised.

25 Three days later the men who had been circumcised were still weak from pain. So Simeon and Levi, two of Dinah’s brothers, attacked with their swords and killed every man in town, 26 including Hamor and Shechem. Then they took Dinah and left. 27 Jacob’s other sons came and took everything they wanted. All this was done because of the horrible thing that had happened to their sister. 28 They took sheep, goats, donkeys, and everything else that was in the town or the fields. 29 After taking everything of value from the houses, they dragged away the wives and children of their victims.

Cool huh? Just a book? Playbook, sure.

Once again the only “exposure” to the church and the Bible was during my army brat days in the 70’s. I’m sure you are more able than I to point out every perfidy that encompasses that particular tome. Have I ever read it front to back? No, and I have zero desire to do so.

Here where I live in Florida (not too much longer thank god!), I get pestered at least once a week needing “salvation” to whichever sect that knocks on my door. Some are sincere, other have a more despicable sales approach. Some are even pushing a new version to compensate for the times we live in. But for the most part they in my opinion are not all inclusive therefore it has a more “cultist” view of god and how to conduct your life to achieve some sort of imaginary place called heaven.

For me as someone that’s really into King Arthur, the parallels are the same. Taliesin being the father, Arthur the son, and Merlin the Holy Ghost. The series by Stephen R Lawhead imo, is what Western Christianity could of been.

To me at the end of the day believes in doing “the greater good” without someone else telling me how to conduct my life.

[Speaker to Animals]

King Arthur myths have everything to do with Christ and fighting degeneracy.

The modern novels and film's are total garbage, however.

[HarryK]

King Arthur myths have everything to do with Christ and fighting degeneracy.

The modern novels and film's are total garbage, however.

There are so many different venerations of King Arthur all the way back to the original source you’d be amazed from the historical perspective. And as far as I’m concerned, Excalibur 1981 was one of the best depiction of the life and times and the pure goriness that was the Middle Ages.

Think you could dial back the “hate”? It does get weary and boring.

[Speaker to Animals]

King Arthur myths have everything to do with Christ and fighting degeneracy.

The modern novels and film's are total garbage, however.

There are so many different venerations of King Arthur all the way back to the original source you’d be amazed from the historical perspective. And as far as I’m concerned, Excalibur 1981 was one of the best depiction of the life and times and the pure goriness that was the Middle Ages.

Think you could dial back the “hate”? It does get weary and boring.

Dude, I have been obsessed with Arthurian mythology since I was a child.

Excalibur was not even remotely close to the reality of that time. The time of Arthurian Britain was not even the medieval period. It was late antiquity. Late 4th century to mid 5th century. It's a periphery of the collapse of the Roman Empire. That's the context. The later stuff is mostly French troubadour poetry in the high middle ages. The really good stuff is all in various dialects of old English (like Sir Gawain and the Green Knight). That was written in the early medieval period.

The actual armies of the Romano-Celts of Britain after the legions departed for Gaul looked far more like Roman armies of the time, with Celtic auxiliaries. "Castles" were old Roman fortresses along the coast, and Celtic-style wooden defenses within the interior.

The cities were totally Romanized. Londonium (London) was a Roman city before the Saxons controlled that area and it went into hibernation. Aqua Sulis (Bath) was like a Roman resort city that was turned into a defensive position.

Best case argument for a real Arthur was a Romanized Celt who became a kind of warchief of the armies of the various petty kingdoms and tribes that emerged immediately following the departure of the legions rather than an actual king. We kind of know the names of the little kingdoms and I don't think Arthur comes up there. He commanded those troops in twelve great battles against the Saxons, culminating in the Battle of Baden hill.

[Montegriffo]

King Arthur myths have everything to do with Christ and fighting degeneracy.

The modern novels and film's are total garbage, however.

The king Arthur myths promote the values of chivalry. Honour in battle etc.
It's a romanticised story about a Celtic warrior leading the defence against the Saxon invaders in the 4th and early 5th century.

Arthur was literally a ''cuck'' and had a bastard son. So plenty of degeneracy in the legend.

In Malory's Morte d'Arthur, Mordred is the illegitimate son of Arthur and Morgause. When Arthur, who is unaware that she is related to him when they sleep together, learns that he has had a child by his half-sister, he attempts to kill Mordred by condemning all the children born on May Day to be set adrift on the sea.

The links to Christianity come late to the story.

Earlier stories, from the mythology of the Celts, can be seen as precursors of the grail: they spoke of “cauldrons of plenty” that provided food for heroes and could even bring the dead to life. But once the links with Christian belief were established in the 12th century, the grail became a holy relic sought by mystics and heroes – and, most famously, by Arthur’s fellowship.

[HarryK]

Both true and valid point. But once again, if there are many different versions of the Bible that brought comfort and solace spiritually, then King Arthur can do the same in it’s many variations.

Guess this crowd is tad bit too literal. Oh well, carry on.

[Montegriffo]

Both true and valid point. But once again, if there are many different versions of the Bible that brought comfort and solace spiritually, then King Arthur can do the same in it’s many variations.

Guess this crowd is tad bit too literal. Oh well, carry on.

The main comparison between the two myths is that they are both works of fiction.