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Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:36 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:33 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:27 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:26 pm


No they released a load of information after they named the two suspects.
Do you have a link to that?
Pick your own source

https://www.google.com/search?q=suspect ... =firefox-b
Apparently, they found a smoking bottle.

Did RT try to dance out of that one?
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Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:49 pm

Yep, still implying it was a false flag.

https://www.rt.com/uk/437728-salisbury- ... ns-remain/
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Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:54 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:49 pm
Yep, still implying it was a false flag.

https://www.rt.com/uk/437728-salisbury- ... ns-remain/
??? You brought this up to discredit RT. I said it was like Seth Rich, except in this case The State wants to credit the "proof" rather than discredit it like in the Seth Rich case. What's RT's take on the video evidence? Do they have counter evidence?

Trump had no Russian collusion but the Deep State did. RT was correct on that.
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Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:59 pm

I just read some more Salisbury stuff from the Russian pov. If they don't extradite those 2 guys then it's them. If they do extradite them then the story is still not closed.
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:01 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:54 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:49 pm
Yep, still implying it was a false flag.

https://www.rt.com/uk/437728-salisbury- ... ns-remain/
??? You brought this up to discredit RT. I said it was like Seth Rich, except in this case The State wants to credit the "proof" rather than discredit it like in the Seth Rich case. What's RT's take on the video evidence? Do they have counter evidence?

Trump had no Russian collusion but the Deep State did. RT was correct on that.
Given the evidence so far, who do you think is the most likely perp' Russian agents or British agents?
Which side is RT batting for?
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Post by Martin Hash » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:12 pm

I didn't find another RT story. (Normally, I watch RT on YouTube. I don't think I'd ever read it before this.)
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Post by Hastur » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:37 pm

BjornP wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:32 pm
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Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:57 pm
Are there any western journalists in the Idlib province? The Al Nusra front is pretty nasty. Without any pictures a fake gas attack is pretty pointless. Wasn’t those mostly in the FSA areas?
Robert Fisk is hanging around hoping to spot something, apparantly:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sy ... 30796.html
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Ph64 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:30 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:01 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:54 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:49 pm
Yep, still implying it was a false flag.

https://www.rt.com/uk/437728-salisbury- ... ns-remain/
??? You brought this up to discredit RT. I said it was like Seth Rich, except in this case The State wants to credit the "proof" rather than discredit it like in the Seth Rich case. What's RT's take on the video evidence? Do they have counter evidence?

Trump had no Russian collusion but the Deep State did. RT was correct on that.
Given the evidence so far, who do you think is the most likely perp' Russian agents or British agents?
Which side is RT batting for?
Or Ukrainian agents, Polish agents, Chinese agents...
I mean there's a bottle of poison that was tossed away seemingly randomly (probably could've tossed it in a dumpster or a river or just dug a hole with your hand and buried it and nobody would find it. Two Russian guys who are captured on camera at the airport and in various places, none of which really link them to the victims in any real way. Supposedly traces of said nerve agent found in their hotel, but not in deadly amount (even though supposedly one drop could kill you)...

The hotel is really the only evidence that links the two guys to the nerve agent. If it's true. May be they have something else but everything else seems pretty circumstantial, enough to add to a criminal case but not build one off of.

Not saying it wasn't them, but like everything else these days "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" is tossed out for "trial by media, guilty unless proven innocent, and you don't get that option".

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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:52 am

Ph64 wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:30 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:01 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:54 pm

??? You brought this up to discredit RT. I said it was like Seth Rich, except in this case The State wants to credit the "proof" rather than discredit it like in the Seth Rich case. What's RT's take on the video evidence? Do they have counter evidence?

Trump had no Russian collusion but the Deep State did. RT was correct on that.
Given the evidence so far, who do you think is the most likely perp' Russian agents or British agents?
Which side is RT batting for?
Or Ukrainian agents, Polish agents, Chinese agents...
I mean there's a bottle of poison that was tossed away seemingly randomly (probably could've tossed it in a dumpster or a river or just dug a hole with your hand and buried it and nobody would find it. Two Russian guys who are captured on camera at the airport and in various places, none of which really link them to the victims in any real way. Supposedly traces of said nerve agent found in their hotel, but not in deadly amount (even though supposedly one drop could kill you)...

The hotel is really the only evidence that links the two guys to the nerve agent. If it's true. May be they have something else but everything else seems pretty circumstantial, enough to add to a criminal case but not build one off of.

Not saying it wasn't them, but like everything else these days "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" is tossed out for "trial by media, guilty unless proven innocent, and you don't get that option".
CCTV captured them close to the victims address both on the day of the attack and the previous day.
The nerve agent is only known to be manufactured by Russia.
They can only be tried in a court of law if the Russians give them up which is very unlikely.
There is plenty of evidence to accuse the two men of this crime/act of war.
May was asked to produce evidence pointing at Russia which she did. This is not trial by media, without this evidence being provided she would have been open to accusations of accusing Russia without proof.
If Russia wants to prove their innocence then they should hand them over to face trial and prove it in court.
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Ph64 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:02 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:52 am
Ph64 wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:30 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:01 pm


Given the evidence so far, who do you think is the most likely perp' Russian agents or British agents?
Which side is RT batting for?
Or Ukrainian agents, Polish agents, Chinese agents...
I mean there's a bottle of poison that was tossed away seemingly randomly (probably could've tossed it in a dumpster or a river or just dug a hole with your hand and buried it and nobody would find it. Two Russian guys who are captured on camera at the airport and in various places, none of which really link them to the victims in any real way. Supposedly traces of said nerve agent found in their hotel, but not in deadly amount (even though supposedly one drop could kill you)...

The hotel is really the only evidence that links the two guys to the nerve agent. If it's true. May be they have something else but everything else seems pretty circumstantial, enough to add to a criminal case but not build one off of.

Not saying it wasn't them, but like everything else these days "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" is tossed out for "trial by media, guilty unless proven innocent, and you don't get that option".
CCTV captured them close to the victims address both on the day of the attack and the previous day.
The nerve agent is only known to be manufactured by Russia.
They can only be tried in a court of law if the Russians give them up which is very unlikely.
There is plenty of evidence to accuse the two men of this crime/act of war.
May was asked to produce evidence pointing at Russia which she did. This is not trial by media, without this evidence being provided she would have been open to accusations of accusing Russia without proof.
If Russia wants to prove their innocence then they should hand them over to face trial and prove it in court.
Well, here's the question... who's court? UK courts, the same ones that decided a guy who made a video if his dog raising his paw to "heil Hitler" is a crime? A girl who posts rap lyrics in memory of a young kid who died... criminal?

I don't care what "proof" NK had on me, I wouldn't want to be extradited there to face their "justice", would you?

Maybe an international/UN court? Of course then they might have to produce evidence that could "compromise national security"...