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[DBTrek]

Your reptilian stem regulates base functions like breathing.
When you pass out it takes over and makes sure you don’t die.

How is that a statement on free will?

[jediuser598]

Your reptilian stem regulates base functions like breathing.
When you pass out it takes over and makes sure you don’t die.

How is that a statement on free will?

You can't hold your breath til you pass out.

Try it.

[DBTrek]

Your reptilian stem regulates base functions like breathing.
When you pass out it takes over and makes sure you don’t die.

How is that a statement on free will?

You can't hold your breath til you pass out.

Try it.

I can with mechanical assistance. What does that have to do with free will?
I can’t jump 6’ high, but I can with a pogo stick. How is any of this trivial nonsense a commentary on free will? The existence of physical limitations doesn’t equal “no free will”. So what’s the connection you’re making?

[TheReal_ND]

I just dropped in and saw this thread, and the resentiment term and winner/loser mentality is discussed in Pankaj Mishra's Age of Anger. Probably the best book I've read in the last 2 years. This term goes well beyond individuals and societies, and has come to encompass the entire globe. The book discusses how this worldview came to be, and why it spread.

There is a great breakdown of Rousseau vs Voltaire. Eerily, the same battles these guys fought are being waged today.

How does it compare to "Slave Morality"? Interestingly, DB (and me, and others I assume), have recognized that people's motivations can only be explained at the basest level; there is little actual consideration. In fact, Scott Adams refers to the "science" of predeterminism, that your mind made a decision before there was time for rational thought. (He actually goes so far as to deny there is Free Will.)

Free will.

Try to hold your breath as long as you can. Eventually, no matter how hard you try, no matter how hard you exercise your free will, your body tells you no and makes you breathe again, before you pass out. That right there tells you we don't have unlimited free will in all cases. (Just try it, while you're sitting there, you'll see it's demonstrably true.)

No faggot. What are we? Six years old, and back on the playground?

[Fife]

Let's do 2 inch punches.

[jediuser598]

Your reptilian stem regulates base functions like breathing.
When you pass out it takes over and makes sure you don’t die.

How is that a statement on free will?

You can't hold your breath til you pass out.

Try it.

I can with mechanical assistance. What does that have to do with free will?
I can’t jump 6’ high, but I can with a pogo stick. How is any of this trivial nonsense a commentary on free will? The existence of physical limitations doesn’t equal “no free will”. So what’s the connection you’re making?

There are parts of us we can and cannot control. With your free will it isn't within your ability to jump six feet high, with your body alone. It's like a hard limit, we can outsmart it possibly with training, but default? Your don't have enough free will to hold your breathe til your body simply tells you no.

Like the inability to hold our breathe til you pass out, by default, I'm saying there are things that are hard wired into us that we can possibly outsmart with training, but by default it would determine a lot of our actions.

That's not to say everything is pre-determined. I'm just saying, like our inability to hold our breath, our free will is asserted through identifying and overcoming that hard wiring, by using our intelligence. (not to say overcoming all of that hard wiring is possible)

[DBTrek]

There are physical limitations our human bodies can’t transcend, but free will isn’t about self levitation or wishing your enemies into a cornfield.

I think you’re arguing that we aren’t physically limitless, but free will is about self determination, the ability to make your own decisions.

[jediuser598]

There are physical limitations our human bodies can’t transcend, but free will isn’t about self levitation or wishing your enemies into a cornfield.

I think you’re arguing that we aren’t physically limitless, but free will is about self determination, the ability to make your own decisions.

More I'm arguing that we can't fully control our own bodies, even if we exert our free will to its maximum, even when we're conscious. I'm purely arguing in the realm of when we are conscious, what are we allowed to do? What's the scope of our free will's control of our body?

We cannot, by default, hold our breath til we pass out. (our bodies by default won't let us get to that point, it says no, and denies our free will.)

[DBTrek]

It’s a physical limitation, like unassisted flight. Free will doesn’t come into play because it’s not a choice you can make, physical reality offers no choice.

[Martin Hash]

If you Google the Free Will debate, it’s astounding how much science there is against it! I’ve listened to 2 guests on EconTalk in the last year who said it doesn’t exist. I wasn’t convinced; it seems too obvious that there is Free Will, but like Flat Earth, the case against it won’t go away.