Socialism

[Okeefenokee]

Of course that has fuck all to do with what I said.

Fucks like you don't believe it's theft to take from someone against their will.

Socialism comes about when fucks like you take over.

You come up with excuses for your theft by inventing terms like legitimate theft.

The funny part is how you sauntered into this by blaming right wingers for muddying the water with conflations between taxation and socialism, and then launched into a full on tirade in defense of what you had just named as the cause.

[Okeefenokee]

Draws free healthcare from the VA.... Rails against Medicare.
Military pension... Bitches about Social Security.

:facepalm:

Never been to the VA.

Never drawn a pension.

Fuck off cunt.

[Okeefenokee]

When you get a couple of generations of right-wing retards calling everything from unions and welfare states, to just raising taxes "Socialist", it's completely natural that younger generations grow up to think that if the spectrum of Socialism really goes from capitalist sponsored welfare state to Soviet style totalitarianism, they think they picked the nice Socialism.

You mean like steal money from citizens to let them pay for a military they don't want to pay for?

Right there.

He opened by blaming socialism on people who equate paying taxes with socialism, and then tried to counter the definition of theft with the assertion that paying taxes on a military is socialism.

[Okeefenokee]

Socialism lays directly at the feet of people who believe they can take from others for whatever reason they can imagine.

This absolute horseshit notion of this idiot nord that it is the fault of the people who speak out against it is nothing more than a lying thief trying to hide who he is.

[Hastur]

By that definition, the medieval baron that demanded taxes from his subjects was, in fact, a socialist. Who would have thunk it.

[BjornP]

When you get a couple of generations of right-wing retards calling everything from unions and welfare states, to just raising taxes "Socialist", it's completely natural that younger generations grow up to think that if the spectrum of Socialism really goes from capitalist sponsored welfare state to Soviet style totalitarianism, they think they picked the nice Socialism.

You mean like steal money from citizens to let them pay for a military they don't want to pay for?

Right there.

He opened by blaming socialism on people who equate paying taxes with socialism, and then tried to counter the definition of theft with the assertion that paying taxes on a military is socialism.

Wow, you're dumber than a doorknob...

I am countering YOUR definition of theft, by pointing out where that idiot logic takes you. It logically takes you to defining paying taxes on a military as "theft" because that fits YOUR dumbass definition of theft. It's not my position, it's the logical conclusion to YOURS.

[BjornP]

By that definition, the medieval baron that demanded taxes from his subjects was, in fact, a socialist. Who would have thunk it.

Yup. Nothing's more Socialist than feudalism. Except for absolute monarchy, of course. That’s, like, full blown Stalinism.

[Zlaxer]

Besides being dumb as fuck - why is it so hard for the majority of Americans (who appear to want socialism) not see the historical and modern (Venezuela, Brazil, DPRK) failings of collectivism? I get it that the .01% is taking everything....but why is the average prole's solution collectivism as opposed to using anti-monopoly laws? If it's really because they're dumb as fuck - then are they to be considered a threat, like wild fucking animals?

[Fife]

Bjorn... pssst: Taxation is theft.

...and, Okee's service record is not a counter-argument. Just so you know.

#dpap

:goteam: :drunk:

Even if I disagree, I can acknowledge that you are one of the few I trust to have a more consistant rather than self-contradictory belief when it comes to the issue of taxation and theft. If I knew Okee to truly believe that "taxation is theft" too, then I'd leave it alone as it's at least a consistant belief.

As I knew it would, though, his reply to SF reveals he is ok with having other peoples property taken against their consent, as long as it's funding his sacred cows. The sacred cows that benefit him personally. So, when he defines theft the way he does, his military does indeed become a counter-argument. Not against his service, as much as his victimhood pussy-ass wants to make you believe, but against his logic - or lack thereof.

Objection; relevance. None of that Flounder side-show turns involuntary taxation into anything other than theft.

As for the topic of military "defense," let's consider whether compulsion and theft are necessary (or even efficient) in providing military defense.

Theft is damn hard to justify.

Ep. 939 Do We Need the State for Defense?



But Wouldn't Warlords Take Over?

The standard objection that anarchy would lead to battling warlords is unfounded. In those communities where such an outcome would occur, the addition of a State wouldn’t help. Indeed, the precise opposite is true: The voluntary arrangements of a private property society would be far more conducive to peace and the rule of law, than the coercive setup of a parasitical monopoly government.

[Speaker to Animals]

Taxation is not fucking theft. For fuck sake how do you not see that is a retarded argument guaranteed to lose?