Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Ph64 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:25 am

This is a tough one for me... I mean, do I think humans have an impact on the planet (or ecosystem would be a better term, we really don't hurt the planet itself)? Yes. Our numbers keep increasing, the resources we use obviously increases, we pollute in a lot of ways... It'd be silly IMHO to think we don't have any impact. Just like any species who's natural predators have mostly been eliminated we can damage the ecosystem.

I'm in CT, I think they still recommend you not eat fish (or limit it to a couple a year) from the Housatonic or Hudson rivers (North of nyc, no one in their right mind would eat anything from the Hudson near the city) because of the decades of GE dumping PCBs into them. Obviously we've made some big mistakes in the past.

So, should we be cognizant of our impacts and try to limit them? Sure, and I think we've gotten better with that. Could we do more? Yes. It really starts with the masses though - I try to buy less plastic crap (or buy less in general), I recycle my cans/metal (very easily recyclable - takes far less energy to remelt them than mine new ore, smelt, etc), I recycle what plastic I can, etc. I compost my food waste. My usual trash volume is about one plastic grocery bag a week of stuff that isn't recyclable/compostable.

And yet I know my effort is pointless. We package everything in plastic - rarely are plastic lids marked for recycling, but a pair of pliers or scissors and they come in those absurd plastic shields (also unmarked with a recycling symbol), etc. And if course the vast majority just don't care - I have a friend who tosses all his beer empties in his condo dumpster, "the homeless guys pick through it" (5¢ deposit here), maybe so but I'm sure a lot don't get picked out, besides the non-recyclable stuff that gets tossed. He tosses used motor oil and paint thinner and who knows what else in there too.

I'm not militant about it, I can only control what I do. But I do know we could do far better, consume less crap ("plastic pumpkins"), recycle more. I'm not gonna be changing the world though. Hell, now we've gone back to shitting in the streets, as if we don't know from history what a bad idea that is healthwise. :?

Climate change? I dunno, again I think it silly to think we have zero impact, but primary cause? I'm not convinced of that.

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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:01 am

Yeah, we can and definitely should take care of our environment. The salacious over used of plastic packaging is a great example. Now weigh that against the current freak out about straws.

What argument we should talk about is why is there a market for things packaged in plastic and why are people buying so many plastic straws? The diposable low quality goods we've become hooked on as consumers is the issue.


As far as Nat G, once again we see Greenies are notoriously dishonest in what they present to the public.
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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Zlaxer » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:58 am

Ph64 wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:25 am
This is a tough one for me... I mean, do I think humans have an impact on the planet (or ecosystem would be a better term, we really don't hurt the planet itself)? Yes. Our numbers keep increasing, the resources we use obviously increases, we pollute in a lot of ways... It'd be silly IMHO to think we don't have any impact. Just like any species who's natural predators have mostly been eliminated we can damage the ecosystem.

I'm in CT, I think they still recommend you not eat fish (or limit it to a couple a year) from the Housatonic or Hudson rivers (North of nyc, no one in their right mind would eat anything from the Hudson near the city) because of the decades of GE dumping PCBs into them. Obviously we've made some big mistakes in the past.

So, should we be cognizant of our impacts and try to limit them? Sure, and I think we've gotten better with that. Could we do more? Yes. It really starts with the masses though - I try to buy less plastic crap (or buy less in general), I recycle my cans/metal (very easily recyclable - takes far less energy to remelt them than mine new ore, smelt, etc), I recycle what plastic I can, etc. I compost my food waste. My usual trash volume is about one plastic grocery bag a week of stuff that isn't recyclable/compostable.

And yet I know my effort is pointless. We package everything in plastic - rarely are plastic lids marked for recycling, but a pair of pliers or scissors and they come in those absurd plastic shields (also unmarked with a recycling symbol), etc. And if course the vast majority just don't care - I have a friend who tosses all his beer empties in his condo dumpster, "the homeless guys pick through it" (5¢ deposit here), maybe so but I'm sure a lot don't get picked out, besides the non-recyclable stuff that gets tossed. He tosses used motor oil and paint thinner and who knows what else in there too.

I'm not militant about it, I can only control what I do. But I do know we could do far better, consume less crap ("plastic pumpkins"), recycle more. I'm not gonna be changing the world though. Hell, now we've gone back to shitting in the streets, as if we don't know from history what a bad idea that is healthwise. :?

Climate change? I dunno, again I think it silly to think we have zero impact, but primary cause? I'm not convinced of that.

CT as well - We recycle way more than we throw out - single bin recycling makes that easy....Usually one or two garbage cans / month.

Most of world's pollution comes from Asia and the 3rd world shitholes....unstable government+ corruption + uneducated proles = environmental destruction....the question is....will the West be able to convince Asia and 3rd world to stop obliterating their land? Or will there be an environmental war in the future? What happens when US cancer rates and birth defects go through the roof bc of the PRC's recklessness? :whistle:

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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Hastur » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:39 am

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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Okeefenokee » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:54 am

Shouldn't India be on that list?
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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:45 am

So, basically, Americans are the most environment-friendly people on this planet, and all this bullshit shaming and posturing has an ulterior motive.. like simply a naked will to power and control.. :whistle:

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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Fife » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:31 am

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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:35 am

Okeefenokee wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:54 am
Shouldn't India be on that list?
No. India recycles everything. Extreme poverty does that. Everything has a value and if it means that you can eat today you will pick up every bit of plastic you can find.
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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:53 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:35 am
Okeefenokee wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:54 am
Shouldn't India be on that list?
No. India recycles everything. Extreme poverty does that. Everything has a value and if it means that you can eat today you will pick up every bit of plastic you can find.
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Bullshit. You see a lot of filthy rich nations on that list?

India doesn't recycle everything. Some reports put them at 60% right now.

It also has the most polluted air in the world.
India tops world in bad air quality: Kanpur, Delhi among 15 worst cities, Mumbai 4th most polluted megacity
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 997130.cms
And the water is horrendously polluted with human waste, industrial runoff, and..... get this, plastic.

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But now we know you don't know a damned thing about what poverty does.

Turns everyone into Captain Planet, does it?
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Re: Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

Post by Fife » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:27 am