The Enlightenment - roll it back or forward?

[DrYouth]

We don't want your "transcendance", dude. Seriously. Fuck off with your Orwellian language and speak honestly. You want to convert us all into your globalist groupthink. We don't want that. That amounts to cultural genocide of world cultures so that your globalist monoculture is all that remains.

I want to preserve cultures and races, not eradicated them by creating a global monocultural and monorace. Do you really not see how this shit is genocidal as fuck? Really?

Differentiation and integration means honouring differences and not trying to homogenize everything...
Just finished listening to Mike Duncan's podcast series on the French Revolution and the crazy efforts to homogenize everything...
It was cataclysmic.
I have no trouble understanding your pessimism...
And the new brand of postmodernists staffing the universities are little better with their revisionism casting "the patriarchy" as villains to be overthrown...
So if this is going to change that has to end.... that's what I mean by rolling it forward... is overcoming the dinosaur age of postmodernism and homogenization....

[jediuser598]

No, dude. Stop Kathy Newmanning the place up.

I am saying "The Enlightenment" (and that's a hell of an Orwellian name for it) and the dominance of cities are connected, if not one and the same.

I am saying we need to separate out the cities to function semi-autonomously. The people who have the urban genetics and want this shitty globalist lifestyle can all migrate to the cities. It doesn't have to infect the entire world.

When you read pozzed leftist posters like SF talking about some "destiny" for a global government, what they are saying is that they want to convert the world into a city. Most western cities are the same thing now. Aside from some minor differences, New York and London are not all that different. These people have created a monoculture and they are attempting to essentially culturally genocide all other ethnicities. They don't think of it that way, but that's exactly what they are about. Globalism is a kind of western urbanism and it's sort of like the Borg in Star Trek -- utterly genocidal and intent on total conversion of outsiders.

If the urban-rural conflict ever comes about, it's not going to end well for the urbanites. I can promise you that. Strategically they are completely fucked in the coming wars.

Well this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Transcend and include does not mean dominate and eradicate.
The rural component of a nation holds an important reservoir of skills and culture that is as important to the whole as the cities with their subspecialized thinkers, artists and craftsmen... this idea of rejecting the rural or local, while spouting a false creed of equality is exactly the critique that Wilber is levelling... and it's devastating.
I think we agree on the critique.

We don't want your "transcendance", dude. Seriously. Fuck off with your Orwellian language and speak honestly. You want to convert us all into your globalist groupthink. We don't want that. That amounts to cultural genocide of world cultures so that your globalist monoculture is all that remains.

I want to preserve cultures and races, not eradicated them by creating a global monocultural and monorace. Do you really not see how this shit is genocidal as fuck? Really?

Are the Amish really in danger of losing their culture?

You realize that technology, like the internet, are one of the primary vectors for mono culture. How many people from different cultures and age groups are memeing currently?

I'm honestly interested in creating my own culture, but one runs into resistance every step of the way.

If there weren't things like the internet, mono culture would have a lot harder time.

[Speaker to Animals]

We don't want your "transcendance", dude. Seriously. Fuck off with your Orwellian language and speak honestly. You want to convert us all into your globalist groupthink. We don't want that. That amounts to cultural genocide of world cultures so that your globalist monoculture is all that remains.

I want to preserve cultures and races, not eradicated them by creating a global monocultural and monorace. Do you really not see how this shit is genocidal as fuck? Really?

Differentiation and integration means honouring differences and not trying to homogenize everything...
Just finished listening to Mike Duncan's podcast series on the French Revolution and the crazy efforts to homogenize everything...
It was cataclysmic.
I have no trouble understanding your pessimism...
And the new brand of postmodernists staffing the universities are little better with their revisionism casting "the patriarchy" as villains to be overthrown...
So if this is going to change that has to end.... that's what I mean by rolling it forward... is overcoming the dinosaur age of postmodernism and homogenization....

Dude, give it a rest. All it has meant thus far is the "end of whiteness", state-enforced racial discrimination, terror attacks, "diversity barriers", Muslim rape gangs, Honduran drug gangs, declining wages and the destruction of our middle class, on and fucking on.

How many ways do I need to express to you that most non-urbanites want fuck all to do with your genocidal ideology?

[DrYouth]

Dude, give it a rest. All it has meant thus far is the "end of whiteness", state-enforced racial discrimination, terror attacks, "diversity barriers", Muslim rape gangs, Honduran drug gangs, declining wages and the destruction of our middle class, on and fucking on.

How many ways do I need to express to you that most non-urbanites want fuck all to do with your genocidal ideology?

I don't expect them to be impressed with the postmodern agenda... I expect them to resist it... and I don't blame them for doing so...
In fact I agree with resisting it as it stands now.
And yet I don't see the answer as returning to the past....
I see the answer as changing the agenda.

[Speaker to Animals]

Dude, give it a rest. All it has meant thus far is the "end of whiteness", state-enforced racial discrimination, terror attacks, "diversity barriers", Muslim rape gangs, Honduran drug gangs, declining wages and the destruction of our middle class, on and fucking on.

How many ways do I need to express to you that most non-urbanites want fuck all to do with your genocidal ideology?

I don't expect them to be impressed with the postmodern agenda... I expect them to resist it... and I don't blame them for doing so...
In fact I agree with resisting it as it stands now.
And yet I don't see the answer as returning to the past....
I see the answer as changing the agenda.

Now you are playing the false dichotomy tactic. The alternatives to neo-liberalism are not limited to simply "returning to the past".

[DrYouth]

Now you are playing the false dichotomy tactic. The alternatives to neo-liberalism are not limited to simply "returning to the past".

One of the alternatives to neoliberalism is moving forward to an integral framework.... that's what Wilber is proposing... this can't happen quickly but it can happen in the long term... it involves further social moral psychological development so it's not a quick or easy fix.
It means being ruthless in the critique of the modern and postmodern framework... and challenging the framework to adapt and grow...
I kind of see the Intellectual Dark Web as a manifestation of this.... which is where I rediscovered Wilber... I had read about his work before.

[Fife]

Dark-Ages caveman stuff. Might makes right, and all that rot.

On July 4, of all days. Sad.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I think DSL is a bit confused on the concept of “the enlightenment”.

[Okeefenokee]

Here comes the nuance.

[Speaker to Animals]

Here comes the nuance.

Orwellian newspeak more like it. It's all these deluded neoliberals can do anymore.