Kicked Off Progressive Forum

[Speaker to Animals]

Then in the discussion about coupling work requirements for welfare money you ran head on into the single mother contingent right off the bat. You didn't respect the hardship of single mothers having kids and not being able to work because nobody will take care of their brood of future criminals.

Motherhood is not a disability. All these women actually need is access to subsidized day care and maybe tuition-free vocational training at community colleges. They don't need direct money put in their hands from anybody by virtue of popping out babies.

You really made some enemies challenging the single mother privilege.

[Martin Hash]

It seems pretty hopeless when a Democratic candidate for U.S. House is banned on a Democratic forum for discussing policy. Not one Democrat came to my defense. Not one Democrat said “that’s not right.”

[kybkh]

It seems pretty hopeless when a Democratic candidate for U.S. House is banned on a Democratic forum for discussing policy. Not one Democrat came to my defense. Not one Democrat said “that’s not right.”

They aren’t Democratics Donnie they are Communist and they must be stopped.

[Hwen Hoshino]

It seems pretty hopeless when a Democratic candidate for U.S. House is banned on a Democratic forum for discussing policy. Not one Democrat came to my defense. Not one Democrat said “that’s not right.”

They aren’t Democratics Donnie they are Communist and they must be stopped.

Aren't they a bit incoherent for that?

[clubgop]

Drop a link, see how quick we can be kicked. Invade.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Then in the discussion about coupling work requirements for welfare money you ran head on into the single mother contingent right off the bat. You didn't respect the hardship of single mothers having kids and not being able to work because nobody will take care of their brood of future criminals.

Motherhood is not a disability. All these women actually need is access to subsidized day care and maybe tuition-free vocational training at community colleges. They don't need direct money put in their hands from anybody by virtue of popping out babies.

You really made some enemies challenging the single mother privilege.

Are the kids better off (pre-school age) in government daycare, or home with their mothers?

Do you think that facility would be cheaper than simply paying the welfare?

Sell me on it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Then in the discussion about coupling work requirements for welfare money you ran head on into the single mother contingent right off the bat. You didn't respect the hardship of single mothers having kids and not being able to work because nobody will take care of their brood of future criminals.

Motherhood is not a disability. All these women actually need is access to subsidized day care and maybe tuition-free vocational training at community colleges. They don't need direct money put in their hands from anybody by virtue of popping out babies.

You really made some enemies challenging the single mother privilege.

Are the kids better off (pre-school age) in government daycare, or home with their mothers?

Do you think that facility would be cheaper than simply paying the welfare?

Sell me on it.

Providing day care and tuition-free community college programs is certainly more expensive than what we are outlaying now in welfare to single mothers (probably not *much* more expensive in some extreme liberal areas where the gibs are good). But that's not really the problem. The problem is that, by handing money and other gibs directly to the mothers, you create the incentive for women to do this. You actually create the incentive for them to keep doing it, producing more children even after they fucked up with the first one. By limiting their gibs to day care and vocational training (which I would argue we really ought to provide to every family if we are going to be serious about making women our economic equals), then you no longer create incentives for single mothers.

Here's the thing: had we done this 40 years ago, we wouldn't have a generation of women, over half of whom are God damned single mothers today. The more money we throw at women for doing stupid shit, the more stupid prizes our civilization is going to earn. This means more criminals burning down cities. More violent crime. More drug abuse.

Woman gets pregnant and has a kid. Okay. She can send the kid to day care and get a job. If she cannot provide for the child, then we need to look into giving custody to the father where applicable. If nobody can reasonably take care of the child, then CPS needs to get involved.

I say the same things about divorce. Women should NOT be getting rewards for fucking up. If a woman wants a divorce, fine, we can divide the marital assets, split custody 50/50, and she can fuck right the fuck off.

Rewarding women for fucked up behavior is probably going to be recorded as our civilization's biggest downfall by the future historians of the Dindu Dynasty or whatever comes next.

[clubgop]

Then in the discussion about coupling work requirements for welfare money you ran head on into the single mother contingent right off the bat. You didn't respect the hardship of single mothers having kids and not being able to work because nobody will take care of their brood of future criminals.

Motherhood is not a disability. All these women actually need is access to subsidized day care and maybe tuition-free vocational training at community colleges. They don't need direct money put in their hands from anybody by virtue of popping out babies.

You really made some enemies challenging the single mother privilege.

Are the kids better off (pre-school age) in government daycare, or home with their mothers?

Do you think that facility would be cheaper than simply paying the welfare?

Sell me on it.

Whatever you tax, you get less of.
Whatever you subsidize, you get more of.

The moral imperative cannot be taken from the individual if you want success.

Wait...who is this?

Dirty dick? And I used "moral," well nevermind that, he likes when government is the daddy because he doesn't want to be one. Can't win em all I guess.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Then in the discussion about coupling work requirements for welfare money you ran head on into the single mother contingent right off the bat. You didn't respect the hardship of single mothers having kids and not being able to work because nobody will take care of their brood of future criminals.

Motherhood is not a disability. All these women actually need is access to subsidized day care and maybe tuition-free vocational training at community colleges. They don't need direct money put in their hands from anybody by virtue of popping out babies.

You really made some enemies challenging the single mother privilege.

Are the kids better off (pre-school age) in government daycare, or home with their mothers?

Do you think that facility would be cheaper than simply paying the welfare?

Sell me on it.

Providing day care and tuition-free community college programs is certainly more expensive than what we are outlaying now in welfare to single mothers (probably not *much* more expensive in some extreme liberal areas where the gibs are good). But that's not really the problem. The problem is that, by handing money and other gibs directly to the mothers, you create the incentive for women to do this. You actually create the incentive for them to keep doing it, producing more children even after they fucked up with the first one. By limiting their gibs to day care and vocational training (which I would argue we really ought to provide to every family if we are going to be serious about making women our economic equals), then you no longer create incentives for single mothers.

Here's the thing: had we done this 40 years ago, we wouldn't have a generation of women, over half of whom are God damned single mothers today. The more money we throw at women for doing stupid shit, the more stupid prizes our civilization is going to earn. This means more criminals burning down cities. More violent crime. More drug abuse.

Woman gets pregnant and has a kid. Okay. She can send the kid to day care and get a job. If she cannot provide for the child, then we need to look into giving custody to the father where applicable. If nobody can reasonably take care of the child, then CPS needs to get involved.

I say the same things about divorce. Women should NOT be getting rewards for fucking up. If a woman wants a divorce, fine, we can divide the marital assets, split custody 50/50, and she can fuck right the fuck off.

Rewarding women for fucked up behavior is probably going to be recorded as our civilization's biggest downfall by the future historians of the Dindu Dynasty or whatever comes next.

It's a pretty hard sell that any significant number of women are having extra kids because of welfare. Yes, I'm aware of 'ghetto mamas', but that's at the same level as crackheads.

Definitely agree that the kids should go to the father, instead of granting welfare, though.

Disagree that welfare has anything to do with the breakdown of families. That's a symptom of much larger societal problems, IMO.

[Speaker to Animals]

Are the kids better off (pre-school age) in government daycare, or home with their mothers?

Do you think that facility would be cheaper than simply paying the welfare?

Sell me on it.

Providing day care and tuition-free community college programs is certainly more expensive than what we are outlaying now in welfare to single mothers (probably not *much* more expensive in some extreme liberal areas where the gibs are good). But that's not really the problem. The problem is that, by handing money and other gibs directly to the mothers, you create the incentive for women to do this. You actually create the incentive for them to keep doing it, producing more children even after they fucked up with the first one. By limiting their gibs to day care and vocational training (which I would argue we really ought to provide to every family if we are going to be serious about making women our economic equals), then you no longer create incentives for single mothers.

Here's the thing: had we done this 40 years ago, we wouldn't have a generation of women, over half of whom are God damned single mothers today. The more money we throw at women for doing stupid shit, the more stupid prizes our civilization is going to earn. This means more criminals burning down cities. More violent crime. More drug abuse.

Woman gets pregnant and has a kid. Okay. She can send the kid to day care and get a job. If she cannot provide for the child, then we need to look into giving custody to the father where applicable. If nobody can reasonably take care of the child, then CPS needs to get involved.

I say the same things about divorce. Women should NOT be getting rewards for fucking up. If a woman wants a divorce, fine, we can divide the marital assets, split custody 50/50, and she can fuck right the fuck off.

Rewarding women for fucked up behavior is probably going to be recorded as our civilization's biggest downfall by the future historians of the Dindu Dynasty or whatever comes next.

It's a pretty hard sell that any significant number of women are having extra kids because of welfare. Yes, I'm aware of 'ghetto mamas', but that's at the same level as crackheads.

Definitely agree that the kids should go to the father, instead of granting welfare, though.

Disagree that welfare has anything to do with the breakdown of families. That's a symptom of much larger societal problems, IMO.

It's pretty much fact, dude.

Before gibs for single mothers, single motherhood was almost unheard of. They were pariahs (for good reason since they destroy society and children's futures). As we kept throwing money at them, their numbers steadily grew. We kept raising their rewards for destroying marriages as well with child support and alimony.

It's not so much that women are deciding this like a career choice. It's just that it makes it easier for them to make really stupid decisions.

over 80% of divorces are initiated by women. Divorce (and marriage for that matter) almost exclusively benefits women. Do you really believe even half of those women would have initiated a divorce if they weren't looking forward to enslaving the father with child support and alimony?

It's a similar thing with single mothers. If women got fuck all personally from being a single mother, then I guarantee you they would use some birth control from then on out. But we just throw money at them. Tell them they are victims. There there, little princess, here's some SNAP funds and rent subsidies. We will hunt down the father and steal half his paycheck to give to you.

You are just edging women closer to irresponsible and destructive behavior. Women should NOT be rewarded for that shit. We should not even pretend like it's okay to do this. Single mothers are a fucking cancer on any society.

More than half the millennial households are fucking single mother households now. Did you know that? That's fucking insane.