Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:43 am

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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by kybkh » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:51 am

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I'm not shit posting. If someone is smart and hard working, let's offer them citizenship.
So you think contributing to Central America's spiraling out of control by encouraging their best and brightest to migrate he is a net win for our society?

You already see the results of local brain drain in rural America.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:52 am

kybkh wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:51 am
jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:51 am
I'm not shit posting. If someone is smart and hard working, let's offer them citizenship.
So you think contributing to Central America's spiraling out of control by encouraging their best and brightest to migrate he is a net win for our society?

You already see the results of local brain drain in rural America.
His goal is the destruction of civilization. He really doesn't give a shit. There is no sense in engaging with the zombies. Try to save the living.

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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by jediuser598 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:35 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:52 am
kybkh wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:51 am
jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:51 am
I'm not shit posting. If someone is smart and hard working, let's offer them citizenship.
So you think contributing to Central America's spiraling out of control by encouraging their best and brightest to migrate he is a net win for our society?

You already see the results of local brain drain in rural America.
His goal is the destruction of civilization. He really doesn't give a shit. There is no sense in engaging with the zombies. Try to save the living.
You believe that our civilization would be better off with all liberals were dead. What sense is there to reason with you?
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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:39 pm

jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:35 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:52 am
kybkh wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:51 am


So you think contributing to Central America's spiraling out of control by encouraging their best and brightest to migrate he is a net win for our society?

You already see the results of local brain drain in rural America.
His goal is the destruction of civilization. He really doesn't give a shit. There is no sense in engaging with the zombies. Try to save the living.
You believe that our civilization would be better off with all liberals were dead. What sense is there to reason with you?

Yes. We obviously would be better off. That is a demonstrable, supportable fact.

Stating that we'd be better off as a civilization if marxists and liberals were dead is not the same as stating civilization would be better off if we murdered marxists and liberals.

Everything you stand for is death in some way. You are infected with a kind of psychological and social cancer. To claim we'd be better off without people like you is similar to claiming a cancer patient would be better off without the cancerous tumor. But the analogy dies there, since you are a human being worthy of life and dignity -- even though this ideology that has subverted you compels you to reject human life and dignity.

Further, like I said to KY, and like that defecting KGB officer said in the 1970s, people like you are lost. If the Soviets were still around to carry through with this ideological attack on America, people like you would be rounded up and exterminated by the utopian revolution you helped create. You are, in a very real sense, a zombie.
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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by jediuser598 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:43 pm

kybkh wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:51 am
jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:51 am
I'm not shit posting. If someone is smart and hard working, let's offer them citizenship.
So you think contributing to Central America's spiraling out of control by encouraging their best and brightest to migrate he is a net win for our society?

You already see the results of local brain drain in rural America.
Their failed experiment gives way to our successful one.

There is a reason their best want to come to us instead of staying in their home. I see no reason to not let them fail, and not let their best to flee to our shores. And then perhaps we spread our democracy to their country voiced by the mouths of their former citizens.
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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by jediuser598 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:45 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:39 pm
jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:35 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:52 am


His goal is the destruction of civilization. He really doesn't give a shit. There is no sense in engaging with the zombies. Try to save the living.
You believe that our civilization would be better off with all liberals were dead. What sense is there to reason with you?

Yes. We obviously would be better off. That is a demonstrable, supportable fact.

Stating that we'd be better off as a civilization if marxists and liberals were dead is not the same as stating civilization would be better off if we murdered marxists and liberals.
Going to stop you from the outset.

You're, in your mind perhaps, doing this in a hypothetical way. What do I have to say to you? Fuck you.

You want me dead. I am a real, living, breathing person who has argued with and conversed with you for years. I even thought you a real friend once, or something akin to it. But you want me dead. I'm not hypothetical. I'm real.

So fuck you dsl.
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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by doc_loliday » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:49 pm

jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:51 am
I'm not shit posting. If someone is smart and hard working, let's offer them citizenship.

Highly skilled and highly paid people oppose immigration for the same reasons. If you spend 50 grand on your education, what's your incentive to offer visas and citizenship to people who will come over and do your job for half the pay?

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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by jediuser598 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:55 pm

doc_loliday wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:49 pm
jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:51 am
I'm not shit posting. If someone is smart and hard working, let's offer them citizenship.

Highly skilled and highly paid people oppose immigration for the same reasons. If you spend 50 grand on your education, what's your incentive to offer visas and citizenship to people who will come over and do your job for half the pay?
If they're citizens, and they can do a better job than you for less pay, then it's a free market.

I had this argument with my brother a little while back.

If Toyota makes a better product than Ford, why would I buy Ford? Because Ford is American? My concern is the better product, but also where the money goes. Now, we're never going to lure Toyota to America, but is it really acceptable to endure a lesser product simply because it is American?

If we're losing a fair game in the global market, isn't that a bad thing? Don't we want the best people? If the best person were born Indian, or Chinese, or Russian, shouldn't we want them to live their lives as Americans? If they renounce their former citizenship?
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Re: Worst Thing About Open Boarders Is Brain Drain From Shithole Countries

Post by doc_loliday » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:10 pm

jediuser598 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:55 pm
If they're citizens, and they can do a better job than you for less pay, then it's a free market.

I had this argument with my brother a little while back.

If Toyota makes a better product than Ford, why would I buy Ford? Because Ford is American? My concern is the better product, but also where the money goes. Now, we're never going to lure Toyota to America, but is it really acceptable to endure a lesser product simply because it is American?

If we're losing a fair game in the global market, isn't that a bad thing? Don't we want the best people? If the best person were born Indian, or Chinese, or Russian, shouldn't we want them to live their lives as Americans? If they renounce their former citizenship?
Well for one, I'm just stating something obvious to the high tech American workers that is often ignored by people who are generally sympathetic to labor issues, not necessarily arguing one way or the other.

I'm not sure what you're arguing though. You're making a liberal argument in support of some mercantilist nationalist goal of making America the best or something. Importing replacement engineers certainly helps businesses, I'm not sure if that's great for America or particularly Americans.

I think free trade and free investment is best for the world overall, but I get why people are against it when the rules aren't the same and especially when individuals and countries find themselves without or have lost their comparative advantage.