Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:23 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:53 pm
I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that this would be very doable in the American grain belt. Old tractors and farming equipment, including thrashers, have become a hobby for farmers and there are a lot of them around.

However, finding people that even know how to handle grain in traditional shocks and that type of stuff would be near impossible, not to mention finding someone that could build a thatched roof.

We just built entire buildings from straw bales.
Unless you are going to harvest with a scythe and make the shucks (Suffolk dialect) by hand you will also need a binder. Maybe these sorts of tools and equipment are languishing unloved in barns and can be renovated but you will still need to grow old fashioned long straw varieties.
Not impossible but very labour intensive. When we are threshing it takes a minimum of five people several hours to process a single stack.
At the end of the day roofs were made with straw (or reed) because it was the only material locally available. Once trains were able to bring slate from the Welsh mountains or tiles from the kilns of far off towns then thatch became all but obsolete.
Most old houses had their thatch replaced with slate or clay tiles because it lasted longer, was cheaper and required little to no maintenance. You can tell that a house used to be thatched by the much steeper pitch of the roof which was required to shed the rain water more effectively.
Even now some thatched roofs are replaced due to the fact that insurance is much higher because the risk of fire and the unwillingness of lenders to provide a mortgage for them.
There are only really two good reasons to re-thatch a roof today. Tradition and aesthetics.

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Pink houses like the last image are a Suffolk tradition and the colour is achieved by adding pigs blood to the limewash paint.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:26 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:10 pm
This is a golden opportunity, Monte. Write the book on thatching.
There are plenty of good books already available written by people with far more knowledge on the subject than me.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by C-Mag » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:28 pm

That's just cool as hell.

Any of these local critters around
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:37 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:17 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:53 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:38 pm


It was built by experienced thatchers. I doubt that any of them learnt how to thatch from a book. In fact I know they didn't, they learned over a five year apprenticeship and thousands of hours of practical experience.
I'm sure books on thatching exist but this is not a project for DIY enthusiasts.


I don't mean for DIY. I mean for emergencies. Tell them that there are preppers who would pay good money for a physical book that explains how they can do this.


Unless you grow or have access to old fashioned long straw varieties of wheat such as square head master the information would be useless.
http://allsop-thatching.co.uk/thatching-supplies/

You would also need access to a threshing drum from the 1950s or earlier.
Without a tradition of thatched roofs in your area you will not be able to find the resources you need. They are rare even here in Suffolk which has probably the highest concentration of thatched roofs in the country.
Paul threshed the last of his straw last week and was unable to supply enough for the two thatchers waiting to finish their roofs. They will just have to wait for this year's harvest if they cannot find it elsewhere.

Stick to corrugated steel sheets or some other modern roofing materials.

Google is your freind BTW https://www.google.com/search?q=thatchi ... =firefox-b
I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that this would be very doable in the American grain belt. Old tractors and farming equipment, including thrashers, have become a hobby for farmers and there are a lot of them around.

However, finding people that even know how to handle grain in traditional shocks and that type of stuff would be near impossible, not to mention finding someone that could build a thatched roof.

We just built entire buildings from straw bales.
Me as well.

Please suggest this to your thatcher friends.
There may be a living to be made doing a lecture circuit of the grain belt telling people about the traditional methods involved but it really isn't a practical way of putting a roof on a house anymore.
Apart from all the things I have already mentioned a thatched roof is much heavier than a tiled one and requires much stronger roof beams to support it. When thatch has deteriorated to the point where it no longer keeps the water out new thatch is laid on top of the old and can end up several feet thick. This can be done several times before you have to strip it all off and start again. Check out the house on the right in the botom image I just posted. Imagine what that roof weighs and then imagine it with a couple of feet of snow on it. You can't get away with pine to build those roof timbers, you need good quality oak or similar.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:41 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:28 pm
That's just cool as hell.

Any of these local critters around
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_Punch
Yes. In fact my local butcher, John Groom, just won best of breed at the Suffolk show last month. He was really made up with the win, his first after many many attempts.

Apart from the obvious advantages which came with mechanisation is the little remembered fact that upto a quarter of your land was used to grow feed for the plough horses. You did gain a large amount of natural fertiliser though.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:47 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:37 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:17 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:53 pm


I know nothing about it, but it seems to me that this would be very doable in the American grain belt. Old tractors and farming equipment, including thrashers, have become a hobby for farmers and there are a lot of them around.

However, finding people that even know how to handle grain in traditional shocks and that type of stuff would be near impossible, not to mention finding someone that could build a thatched roof.

We just built entire buildings from straw bales.
Me as well.

Please suggest this to your thatcher friends.
There may be a living to be made doing a lecture circuit of the grain belt telling people about the traditional methods involved but it really isn't a practical way of putting a roof on a house anymore.
Apart from all the things I have already mentioned a thatched roof is much heavier than a tiled one and requires much stronger roof beams to support it. When thatch has deteriorated to the point where it no longer keeps the water out new thatch is laid on top of the old and can end up several feet thick. This can be done several times before you have to strip it all off and start again. Check out the house on the right in the botom image I just posted. Imagine what that roof weighs and then imagine it with a couple of feet of snow on it. You can't get away with pine to build those roof timbers, you need good quality oak or similar.
Patriot Nurse makes a living giving lectures on emergency first aid and medical care to preppers. If you combined this with some guys who teach other skills like blacksmithing, etc., you might have a decent income from it.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:55 pm

I'd sooner do a trebuchet workshop tour.
You provide the timbers and tools and I will teach you how to throw a 100lb projectile 300 yds. With lunch thrown in (not literally).
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:10 pm

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Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:55 pm
I'd sooner do a trebuchet workshop tour.
You provide the timbers and tools and I will teach you how to throw a 100lb projectile 300 yds. With lunch thrown in (not literally).

There’s a pretty thriving community of “yesteryear” and “renaissance fair” events over here. You could actually do well at it.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:13 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:10 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:55 pm
I'd sooner do a trebuchet workshop tour.
You provide the timbers and tools and I will teach you how to throw a 100lb projectile 300 yds. With lunch thrown in (not literally).

There’s a pretty thriving community of “yesteryear” and “renaissance fair” events over here. You could actually do well at it.
Persuade Hash to put up the capital and I'll be on the next flight over...
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:31 pm



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