North Korea News

[Zlaxer]

What's difference between this deal and the Obama Terran deal?

[BjornP]

What's difference between this deal and the Obama Terran deal?

That it's not a deal, yet. It's more like a signed affirmation to the question of: "Can we make a deal?", "Yes. We'll both do our best to make a deal".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -statement

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

..so, difference being that no one's made a deal, yet. "Comitting to working towards X" is not a "we will stop doing X". Not yet, anyway. And again, there are differences in how the US and NK understand the word "denuclearization", so that's also - again - going to become a challenge.

[C-Mag]

Oh No's ....................... we suck again.

Trump doing what no other POTUS has done in 65 years is still nothing.

[BjornP]

Oh No's ....................... we suck again.

Trump doing what no other POTUS has done in 65 years is still nothing.

You mean meet personally with a North Korean leader? Yeah, I think he's the first one to do that. But he's not the first to start denuclearization talks with NK. It's just that the Norks haven't abided by those agreements made with the US in the past (or it was the US' fault, depending on who you read, I suppose).

Two perspectives on the past, failed, attempt:

https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss ... m-it-80578

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 9f22c34c9c

[Penner]

Here's the funny thing............ we now have the NorKs with a de-nuke deal, open talks, and a path to ending the war officially ............................. and the US didn't give up a fucking thing. Not one fucking thing.

Well, Trump is saying he will stop the war games with South Korea and NK wants us to drop our nuclear umbrella in that area. IMO, both things are not sitting well with either the Pentigon and with South Korea.

[Penner]

Oh No's ....................... we suck again.

Trump doing what no other POTUS has done in 65 years is still nothing.

You mean meet personally with a North Korean leader? Yeah, I think he's the first one to do that. But he's not the first to start denuclearization talks with NK. It's just that the Norks haven't abided by those agreements made with the US in the past (or it was the US' fault, depending on who you read, I suppose).

Two perspectives on the past, failed, attempt:

https://theconversation.com/why-the-uss ... m-it-80578

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... 9f22c34c9c

Clinton back in the 1990s hammered out a deal with Kim's father and we all knew that NK broke their agreement end of that deal.

[Montegriffo]

Vipin Narang, an expert on the North Korean nuclear programme, was even more scathing. “President Trump said he was going to take away Kim’s nuclear weapons,” Narang said in a tweet. “Instead he legitimised the value of nuclear weapons in international politics. Even a ‘pipsqueak fourth-rate power’ can bring the US to the table and win if it has nuclear weapons.”

This is the bit I find most chilling. This ''deal'' has done nothing to aid non proliferation and has in fact demonstrated the value of nuclear weapons to all and sundry.
Non verifiable and non binding with no commitment to make the ''agreement'' non reversable.

''The art of the deal'' everybody.

Bread and circus for the proles, NK getting the bread the rest of us getting the clown.

[Speaker to Animals]

Delusional little shit stains.

[Montegriffo]

Delusional little shit stains.

Harsh but apt description of the Trump can do no wrong crowd.

[Penner]

Vipin Narang, an expert on the North Korean nuclear programme, was even more scathing. “President Trump said he was going to take away Kim’s nuclear weapons,” Narang said in a tweet. “Instead he legitimised the value of nuclear weapons in international politics. Even a ‘pipsqueak fourth-rate power’ can bring the US to the table and win if it has nuclear weapons.”

This is the bit I find most chilling. This ''deal'' has done nothing to aid non proliferation and has in fact demonstrated the value of nuclear weapons to all and sundry.
Non verifiable and non binding with no commitment to make the ''agreement'' non reversable.

''The art of the deal'' everybody.

Bread and circus for the proles, NK getting the bread the rest of us getting the clown.

And maybe finally all of the Korean peninsulae once Kim convinces Trump to pull out troops, fully, from South Korea. The problem with Trump making "deals" on an international level is that he doesn't read his daily security briefs, has no background in international politics nor understands it fully, and he also doesn't listen to anyone who isn't one of his yes men. Instead, he just does whatever he wants and will try to spin it in his favor no matter how shady/shitty the deal would be. Also, he seems to hate all long-term US allies