Do you think Trump should be allowed to self-pardon?

[Kath]

Again though, when did Hilary become president and even if she mentioned everyone would rightfully flip their shit.

Point is, liberals were championing the idea of Clinton pardoning herself once president, but now that Trump says he can do it, lefties are saying, "nuh uh...."

Well, which is it?

[Kath]

Expect they wouldn't, it would be a nonstory and you would defend it.

No, they absolutely would. 60% of the country thinks shit is fine if it's their guy, but totally illegal if it's the other guy. Sad.

[Speaker to Animals]

So you are for unlimited/ unchecked presidential powers?

lol

The president has this power. It's been there since 1789.

You didn't seem upset when CNN was opining that Hillary should use it to end the investigation into her proven felonious actions.

[clubgop]

So you are for unlimited/ unchecked presidential powers?

You were, that mysteriously expired at noon on January 20, 2017.

[Kath]

So you are for unlimited/ unchecked presidential powers?

So, you aren't a big fan of the constitution?

[Penner]

Expect that back in 1974 the DoJ ruled the president can't pardon himself.

However, as Bloomberg reporter Steven Dennis pointed out, that wasn't the case at the end of former President Richard Nixon's time in office. "Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself," the Department of Justice declared in 1974. The DOJ spelled it out just four days before Nixon resigned, explaining that the president's pardoning power "does not extend to the president himself".

https://theweek.com/speedreads/776888/d ... on-himself

[clubgop]

Expect they wouldn't, it would be a nonstory and you would defend it.

No, they absolutely would. 60% of the country thinks shit is fine if it's their guy, but totally illegal if it's the other guy. Sad.

I am on record, the pardoning power is broad. It's legal and it's political suicide. It is why dirty dick has gotten off this subject because the Constitution isn't his wheelhouse, so he took it to a place more in his wheelhouse. Incest and child brides.

[clubgop]

Expect that back in 1974 the DoJ ruled the president can't pardon himself.

However, as Bloomberg reporter Steven Dennis pointed out, that wasn't the case at the end of former President Richard Nixon's time in office. "Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself," the Department of Justice declared in 1974. The DOJ spelled it out just four days before Nixon resigned, explaining that the president's pardoning power "does not extend to the president himself".

https://theweek.com/speedreads/776888/d ... on-himself

That is opinion from a lawyer, point me to the Constitution where the DOJ makes any pronouncements or if the DOJ is even mentioned.

[Kath]

Expect that back in 1974 the DoJ ruled the president can't pardon himself.

However, as Bloomberg reporter Steven Dennis pointed out, that wasn't the case at the end of former President Richard Nixon's time in office. "Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself," the Department of Justice declared in 1974. The DOJ spelled it out just four days before Nixon resigned, explaining that the president's pardoning power "does not extend to the president himself".

https://theweek.com/speedreads/776888/d ... on-himself

The DOJ has no constitutional power to say that. Only the SCOTUS has the authority to interpret the constitution. They've never ruled on it, because it's never come up. They don't rule randomly, there needs to be a lawsuit of some sort.

Until then, it's all just navel gazing. Even legal scholars disagree.

The way I interpret the constitution is that he can pardon himself, but he cannot protect himself from impeachment charges. But, I'm no constitutional scholar.

[Penner]

We have been down this road in the 1970s under Nixon and Nixon was smart enough to resign before getting impeached/indicted.